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Re: What Would Jesus Steal?
Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:59pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
But of course, progressives called it "genocide" and a good idea bit the dust.

"Progressives" are the people who always do such things, believing they can make the world better by breeding better humans.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:09pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Would Jesus steal medicine to save the life of a child?  (If for some reason, he could not simply heal her or raise her from the dead)

Leave Jesus out of it, if you like.  Whatever is your moral compass, would it allow you to steal under certain conditions?  Would you steal bread to feed your starving kids?  How about to feed yourself if you were starving?  How about if you were just really hungry, but you knew that you would not starve?

Would you force a doctor at gunpoint to perform surgery on your wife to save her life?  Would you steal a book if that were the only way for your child to learn to read?  Would you steal a gun if you feared for you life and wanted to be able to defend yourself?

In any case in which you say yes, would you think you were doing the right thing or that you were doing the wrong thing but in a situation in which it was justified?  Or would you think it was wrong and not justified, but you'd rather be wrong than dead?
 
There are laws in Maine making it a felony to booby trap your hunting camp, simply because a lost and starving person might break into your camp with no intention other than to try to stay alive.

That hasn't happened often, usually people break in to see if there is anything worth stealing, and they take it if there is.
  
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 11:56am:
Jesus is not capable of sin.  He is incapable of violating any of the 10 Commandments - one of which is

Thou shalt not steal.



God tells us that taking wealth or property from a person by FORCE is a sin.  Most libertarians understand this, and that's why we object to Income Taxes.
What about your Goddess whoever and God and Jesus being imaginary Sky Fairies?

I think I see where you're going with this Chief...

It could be fun!
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:16pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 3:08pm:
Most libertarians understand this, and that's why we object to All Taxes.
Only a fringe minority of libertarians are anarchists who oppose all taxation.

Wasn't claiming to be the "Majority Party" something that worked for the Bolsheviks back in the Dark Ages?

I think the "Democratic Socialists" are trying the same tactic, but are bound to fail with it in the 21st Century.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:35pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
By your logic, if I don't want to pay the income tax, all I have to do is not earn any income.

If you choose not to earn any income, how would you provide for your family?

How would you clothe and feed your children?  How would you pay the mortgage? 

Most responsible people can't just "choose" to be non-productive. 

I envy those who can, but for many of us, it's just not an option.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
If you choose not to earn any income, how would you provide for your family?

You could work and earn a good salary or high wages and spend it all on them... That works.

If you choose not to save or otherwise invest any of your wages or salary, that's up to you, but how will you then provide for your retirement?

Working til you die isn't always an option. It certainly doesn't seem like a good option to me.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 6:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
If you choose not to earn any income, how would you provide for your family?

How would you clothe and feed your children?  How would you pay the mortgage? 

Most responsible people can't just "choose" to be non-productive. 

I envy those who can, but for many of us, it's just not an option.
I see. You're still confusing wages and salaries with incomes.

It's not that hard to see that they are fundamentally different... Both/either are productive and usually create wealth.

The cold truth is, if you never work at anything, you will never earn anything to invest and will never have any income or anything to live on, ever, unless people think you are worthy of charity or you can get the government to transfer some of other people's wealth to you. Cry
  
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Re: What Would Jesus Steal?
Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 8:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
You could work and earn a good salary or high wages and spend it all on them... That works.

I still have to surrender around 20% of my earnings to the Government.

Are they ripping me off?

Jeff wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
I see. You're still confusing wages and salaries with incomes.

It's not that hard to see that they are fundamentally different... Both/either are productive and usually create wealth.

Respectfully... I am not one who is confused here.

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Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2018 at 8:04am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
I still have to surrender around 20% of my earnings to the Government.

Are they ripping me off?

If they are taxing your wages or salary with a tax that is not apportioned, they are taxing you illegally.
  
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Re: What Would Jesus Steal?
Reply #19 - Sep 8th, 2018 at 8:06am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Respectfully... I am not one who is confused here.

You understand the fundamental difference between working for wages/salaries and living off of income(s) derived from the use of your property?
  
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