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Reply #130 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 3:58pm
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It was the vixen that caused all the problems wasn't it Chief...
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #131 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 3:58pm:
It was the vixen that caused all the problems wasn't it Chief...

Initially, it was the lying neighbor who began the unfortunate chain of events which ended the vixens life.

Over-reaching, interventionist government (Animal Control & Police) exacerbated the problem and should be liable for the wrongful death. 

Did the police have a warrant to arrest/euthanize the fox?   

I think the fox's owner should have sued the City for the wrongful death of his pet.
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #132 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Initially, it was the lying neighbor who began the unfortunate chain of events which ended the vixens life.

Over-reaching, interventionist government (Animal Control & Police) exacerbated the problem and should be liable for the wrongful death. 

Did the police have a warrant to arrest/euthanize the fox?   

I think the fox's owner should have sued the City for the wrongful death of his pet.
The police/animal control would never have been involved if the lying neighbor hadn't called them and lied.

It seems clear to me that the neighbor initiated the aggression by lying.
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #133 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
The police/animal control would never have been involved if the lying neighbor hadn't called them and lied.

It seems clear to me that the neighbor initiated the aggression by lying.

Yes, but was the lying neighbor liable in any way? 

It wasn't the neighbor who granted Animal Control the authority to (wrongly) euthanize the pet. 

It was the City.  The City should be liable for damages.
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #134 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:01am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
The police/animal control would never have been involved if the lying neighbor hadn't called them and lied.

It seems clear to me that the neighbor initiated the aggression by lying.


Again, lying is not aggression.

Don't hit. Don't steal. It's that simple.

The lying neighbour did neither.

If you want a system where it's actually morally wrong - on the same level as aggression - to lie to get someone's pet killed, well, I do too. It's not libertarianism.

And I prefer libertarianism to what I personally want. I prefer to adhere to a system that I think is right, regardless of what my emotions have to say about it. My emotions can take a hike.

Don't hit. Don't steal. That's it.

Yes, that's really it. If you want more, pick any of the multitude of other systems out there.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #135 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:36am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:01am:
Again, lying is not aggression.

But it is sometimes a crime.
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #136 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:42am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Yes, but was the lying neighbor liable in any way? 

It wasn't the neighbor who granted Animal Control the authority to (wrongly) euthanize the pet. 

It was the City.  The City should be liable for damages.
It's all phony made up shit Chief, as is usual with the lizard.

Too many assumptions have to be made, beginning with assuming the police would fail to ask "Who got bit"? before they did anything.

Imagine a similar scenario where a lying neighbor calls the police and tells them you shot and killed somebody, and they arrest you on a charge of murder without even determining that someone was shot.
  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #137 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:42am:
It's all phony made up shit Chief, as is usual with the lizard.


Why do you expect this to get you anywhere? Do you not understand the point of the thread?

It doesn't matter whether it's fabricated or not. In this scenario, find the aggression. That's the point.

If your answer is, "Police would never do that," then that's not an answer. The question is: If they did that, would it be aggression? There's no harm in saying yes, especially if the police really wouldn't do that.

You do nothing but divert so you don't have to answer the tough questions.
  

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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #138 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Why do you expect this to get you anywhere? Do you not understand the point of the thread?

It doesn't matter whether it's fabricated or not. In this scenario, find the aggression. That's the point.

If your answer is, "Police would never do that," then that's not an answer. The question is: If they did that, would it be aggression? There's no harm in saying yes, especially if the police really wouldn't do that.

You do nothing but divert so you don't have to answer the tough questions.
Here's what I said in reply #1 to your challenge-

"If the fox actually never left the house, whoever reported a bite that didn't occur started the chain of events that led to the fox being killed."

The liar caused your fox to end up being killed.

If you want to call that aggression, call it aggression. Since you don't think lying can be considered aggression, call it whatever you want to, but the fault lies with the liar.

The police were unprofessional and made mistakes, but killing a fox they believed to have bitten someone was not the initiation of aggression against your property. Careless mistakes are torts not crimes.


  
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Re: Find the Aggression - Part 1
Reply #139 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
If you want to call that aggression, call it aggression. Since you don't think lying can be considered aggression, call it whatever you want to, but the fault lies with the liar.


Then sue him. Like careless mistakes, a non-aggressive act should never be considered a crime.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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