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Sep 12th, 2018 at 4:17pm
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Libertarians on colleges. Do all have Libertarian clubs? What colleges have the largest group, club?
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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No, I tried to start one on my college campus in 2005.  It fell apart after about 3 meetings.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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Land of Freedom wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Libertarians on colleges. Do all have Libertarian clubs? What colleges have the largest group, club?
There are quite a lot of them-

https://www.lp.org/campus-organizations/
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:44pm
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You're likely to get expelled for believing this stuff.

You made up your own bed when you championed private businesses and their right to free association.

  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:17am
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:44pm:
You're likely to get expelled for believing this stuff.

You made up your own bed when you championed private businesses and their right to free association.

What's the alternative?

Private businesses are made up of individuals who have the same rights of free association and freedom of speech as every other private individual. If you contract to work for them or with them, you obligate yourself to following their rules, which may entail refraining from certain forms of speech while at work or in a company uniform.

I worked for several companies that forbade political speech or advocacy on their property, which didn't stop people from talking politics in the lunchroom and certainly didn't infringe on anyone's right to political advocacy anywhere else.

How would you restrict businesses' rights of free association? How do you define "business"? Do non-profits count? What sort of rules do you think are necessary? Would a law that requires that all businesses be "fair" do it, with bureaucrats at some (or several) federal departments making regulations with the force of law about what "fair" association actually entailed?

Do you think the Clinton Foundation should be required to hire a "fair" percentage of Trump supporters?

Should private colleges and universities be required to have some "fair" percentage of socialist professors and teachers? How about colleges and universities that are supported by tax money? Should they be required to have a "fair" percentage of conservative professors and teachers?

Aren't all of those things involved with free association?

OK, tax funded schools can be viewed as government entities, not private businesses, so applying rules of "fair" association to them could be a requirement...



  
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:17am:
What's the alternative?


The alternative to X is not-X.

I've said before that if free association is moral, fine - I support it.

It just makes a shitty world, like many moral principles.

And yes, it's less shitty to work for the government because they can't discriminate. Not allowing the government to discriminate doesn't simply fail to work. It works well.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 7:23am
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:04pm:
The alternative to X is not-X.

I've said before that if free association is moral, fine - I support it.

It just makes a shitty world, like many moral principles.

You can't legitimately compare a prohibition applied to the government that prevents government  discrimination to anything in the private sphere of individual interactions.

The government has the power of law behind it's discrimination, private individuals do not.

It is not the freedom to associate that causes problems, it is laws that prohibit free association that cause problems and violate rights. For instance, legally segregated schools and businesses denied the freedom to associate and had far ranging bad effects.

Your decision to not invite anyone but lizards to your party has limited local effects and will cause people to laugh at you and scorn your narrow minded bigotry.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:37am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 7:23am:
You can't legitimately compare a prohibition applied to the government that prevents government discrimination to anything in the private sphere of individual interactions.


Yes I can, because the Post Office can't discriminate and none of the shit you imply will happen, has happened.

They just can't discriminate. And it's not a big deal. They're not crippled compared to the free market alternatives. Not being able to fire someone because they tweeted "MAGA!" isn't a big deal.

I've said over and over that I support free association. But only because it is moral.

You're lying when you imply that taking away the right to discriminate based on political views makes a business unworkable or that there aren't answers to how to adjudicate it.

The fact that you have to lie is telling: Maybe you don't think it's moral. Maybe you think your argument needs to rely on lies to function. (It doesn't, because free association is a right; that's all you need to say.)

You're can see the result of free association at colleges, and that result is modern liberal indoctrinated, brainless genderless umbrage zombies with no practical skills except agreeing with each other, getting offended, and suing people.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:13am
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:37am:
Yes I can, because the Post Office can't discriminate and none of the shit you imply will happen, has happened.

They just can't discriminate. And it's not a big deal. They're not crippled compared to the free market alternatives.
Really? So why do they need huge subsidies?

https://dailycaller.com/2015/03/25/report-usps-gets-18-billion-in-subsidies-and-...

But anyway, read my post again. I was talking about the evils that occur when the government does discriminate, and comparing them to private discrimination.

You could say that the government discriminating in favor of the USPS has bad effects on taxpayers...
  
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