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Happy Constitution Day, America! But Don't Celebrate so Soon . . .
Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:35am
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Today, I'll be bringing you a series of posts explaining why the signing and later ratification of the U.S. Constitution was a huge blow to freedom that was the beginning of the end of the great American experiment in limited government. 

The Constitution was written for no other reason than to centralize the government.  It took enormous powers from the states and ensured that states were only self-governing to the extent that the federal government allowed them to be.  This thread looks at the question of why state lawmakers and governors were willing to sign off on such a usurpation.

"Because their freedom loving constituents demanded it!" the constitutionalist will shout.  To that I say,

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

No.

The state politicians who read the constitution saw through it immediately.  The U.S. government was making a power grab and in the aftermath, there would be two classes of politicians:  those who went along with it with a plan to be part of it and those who resisted and would instantly become outsiders.

Politicians tend to be ambitious and this offered them an outlet for their worst excesses.  Every small time state representative saw himself as a future congressman.  Every political insider at the state capital saw himself as a future senator and every governor saw himself as first a senator and then the president.  There were only thirteen governors so not an unrealistic ambition.

Sadly for those governors, those top slots were reserved for the authors of the constitution themselves and it wasn't until 1877 that a sitting governor was elected president.  But the state reps and the state hacks did remarkably well.  Having shifted power to the federal government, they shifted themselves to the federal government.  Many joined the Senate, "the sweetest little club in the world," and no one lost but the people of their states.
  

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Re: Happy Constitution Day, America! But Don't Celebrate so Soon . . .
Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 5:34pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:35am:
Today, I'll be bringing you a series of posts explaining why the signing and later ratification of the U.S. Constitution was a huge blow to freedom that was the beginning of the end of the great American experiment in limited government. 

The Constitution was written for no other reason than to centralize the government.  It took enormous powers from the states and ensured that states were only self-governing to the extent that the federal government allowed them to be.  This thread looks at the question of why state lawmakers and governors were willing to sign off on such a usurpation.

"Because their freedom loving constituents demanded it!" the constitutionalist will shout.  To that I say,

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

No.

The state politicians who read the constitution saw through it immediately.  The U.S. government was making a power grab and in the aftermath, there would be two classes of politicians:  those who went along with it with a plan to be part of it and those who resisted and would instantly become outsiders.

Politicians tend to be ambitious and this offered them an outlet for their worst excesses.  Every small time state representative saw himself as a future congressman.  Every political insider at the state capital saw himself as a future senator and every governor saw himself as first a senator and then the president.  There were only thirteen governors so not an unrealistic ambition.

Sadly for those governors, those top slots were reserved for the authors of the constitution themselves and it wasn't until 1877 that a sitting governor was elected president.  But the state reps and the state hacks did remarkably well.  Having shifted power to the federal government, they shifted themselves to the federal government. 

Many joined the Senate, "the sweetest little club in the world," and no one lost but the people of their states.


Sorry, just realized how brilliant that bold part was . . .

  

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Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 11:28pm
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The larger a system, the less functional.

Ants have no problem building stable, comparatively huge structures using the grains of sand they find as blocks.

Humans have to reinforce our buildings of similar comparative sizes with rebar.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 9:04am
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http://thecrux.com/ready-for-some-good-news/

Just so Red has something to compare with his idea that the Constitution created a failed tyrannical system.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 9:19am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:35am:
The Constitution was written for no other reason than to centralize the government.
That is completely wrong Red.

The Constitution created a national government that allowed the states and their citizens to be protected from foreign invasion by removing that obligation from the state governments and making them collectively strong enough to survive in a hostile world. It also created a national government with the authority to prevent state governments from tyrannizing their citizens and denying their rights. A government that could also prevent trade wars and shooting wars between the states. A government that was required to provide common sound and stable money, standards for weights and measures and protections for inventions and creations.

You go vastly wrong by merely saying "centralize the government", because the Constitution specifically protects the continuation of state governments in republican form and recognizes that they retain most of their powers and have (had) a powerful role in the national government by appointing Senators and approving any changes to the Constitution.

A divided government with divided duties and responsibilities where the states have the power to alter the national government is not a centralized government.

One of the most important purposes of the Constitution was to prevent a centralized government from ever being created.

Yes, "progressives" altered the Constitution illegally and created the centralized government the Constitution was intended to prevent, but you can't blame the Constitution for that, and you can't say the Constitution was intended to create what "progressives" have created out of whole cloth.
  
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