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Reply #30 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 1:57pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 11:52am:
Yeah.    I’’d like to know the name of that town with “almost no government.” Tell me and I bet I can find at least three police agencies that actively collect revenue in that town by writing tickets.



The town I live near doesn't have any police, but it is within the jurisdiction of the county and state.

What little government they do have could, according to you, be easily funded by donations. Try it somewhere and show everyone how well it works.

All it would take for my town is a $950 per capita donation per year.
  
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Reply #31 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 3:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
The town I live near doesn't have any police, but it is within the jurisdiction of the county and state.

What little government they do have could, according to you, be easily funded by donations. Try it somewhere and show everyone how well it works.

All it would take for my town is a $950 per capita donation per year.


Which would be fine if the government is providing $950 per year worth of service.  What do they do for that money?

A name of this town would help to verify that they aren't just taking $950 per year just because "Lulzies, we're government!"
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:13pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Which would be fine if the government is providing $950 per year worth of service.
That's not very likely, their is a public works department.

But that's beside the point, when you are convincing people in the town meeting that donations are the way to go, you can assure them that nothing that the town does in the future will be any more expensive for them than what they are willing to donate. Smiley

Who would not be in favor of that?

In no time at all, you can have a small town government running on donations and we can see how it works out.

I bet you could get a good doctoral dissertation out of the project! What are you waiting for?
  
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Reply #33 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
That's not very likely, their is a public works department.

But that's beside the point, when you are convincing people in the town meeting that donations are the way to go, you can assure them that nothing that the town does in the future will be any more expensive for them than what they are willing to donate. Smiley

Who would not be in favor of that?


If that’s supposed to be sarcasm, it mystifies me.  Those words are exactly true, but you write them as if they are obviously false.

You admit the government doesn’t provide $950 worth of services so why should the people be forced to pay $950 for it?

If you could explain that to me, it would go a long way toward my understanding of your moral theft idea.

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In no time at all, you can have a small town government running on donations


Or . . . we wouldn’t, and now I see that that’s the point you’re missing. 

You admit that your small town government does little or nothing for its citizens.  So why pay for it?  Just because, “it’s government” and we just have to have it, no matter how absurdly the expense outweighs the benefits?


  

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Reply #34 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:42pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
You admit the government doesn’t provide $950 worth of services so why should the people be forced to pay $950 for it?


Under your system, they won't have to, they won't be forced to pay at all, which should be a hugely popular idea!

I expect you will have the first successful pilot project town with a government supported wholly by donations in no time...

I can't wait.
  
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Reply #35 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
You admit that your small town government does little or nothing for its citizens.
I never said that, or even implied it.

I'm tired of you attributing things to me that I never said or implied. The technical term for what you are doing is lying, and some of it fits into the sub-category of slander and character defamation.
  
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Reply #36 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:45pm:
I never said that, or even implied it.

I'm tired of you attributing things to me that I never said or implied. The technical term for what you are doing is lying, and some of it fits into the sub-category of slander and character defamation.



Oh, boo-HOO sob sister!

I asked if your towns government provides $950 worth of service and you said you doubt it.  Now you back pedal and call ME a liar?  That’s rich!

Go beat a slave, you’ll feel better . . .

  

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Reply #37 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:42pm:
Under your system, they won't have to, they won't be forced to pay at all, which should be a hugely popular idea!


Right, because then government will have to prove its worth to them instead of robbing them.

How is that bad, again?


  

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Reply #38 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:57pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
I asked if your towns government provides $950 worth of service and you said you doubt it.  Now you back pedal and call ME a liar?
Yes. I never said we receive "little or nothing" for our taxes. That was purely your invention. A lie.
  
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Reply #39 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:59pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Yes. I never said we receive "little or nothing" for our taxes. That was purely your invention. A lie.


Fine...  Prove me wrong.    Name the town and tell me what services the $950 dollar per year government provides.

Put up or shut up, Jeff.
  

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