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Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:41pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 9:40am:
Am I morally justified in resisting their use of force?

What is the moral response?

Morally, YES.

Legally, NO.

There are scores of videos of people resisting arrest.  Most of them get Tazed. Some are beaten with batons.   Some especially belligerent ones get Tazed AND beaten!   Shocked

Resisting arrest rarely ends well for the resister.  Its best to cooperate with police.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:45pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:41pm:
Morally, YES.

Legally, NO.

There are scores of videos of people resisting arrest.  Most of them get Tazed. Some are beaten with batons.   Some especially belligerent ones get Tazed AND beaten!   Shocked

Resisting arrest rarely ends well for the resister.  Its best to cooperate with police.


Cute guy like me is better off taking a chance with police than being thrown in with ass-raping inmates.

  

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Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:47pm
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Snarky Sack wrote Today at 11:50am:
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Gotcha.


Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:04pm:
In what way?


Meaning that I understand your position now so I can avoid arguing against a position you're not advocating.

  

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Reply #13 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 1:41pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Cute guy like me is better off taking a chance with police than being thrown in with ass-raping inmates.

Resisting arrest is a crime that will get you thrown in jail, so your brilliant plan will probably get you tased and beaten and maybe shot, then thrown in jail anyway.

You can tell the Judge and jury that you were resisting an illegal arrest...

How do you plan to resist anyway?
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 3:52pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:
Resisting arrest is a crime that will get you thrown in jail, so your brilliant plan will probably get you tased and beaten and maybe shot, then thrown in jail anyway.

You can tell the Judge and jury that you were resisting an illegal arrest...

How do you plan to resist anyway?


Guns must be resisted with guns and a willingness to use them first.  I'd do that before I'd submit to being imprisoned when I'm innocent.  I have no moral obligation to sacrifice my safety and freedom so a policemen doesn't get fired for refusing to arrest an innocent man.

I would hope a police officer in that situation would make a wise choice and live to tell his next employer about it.

  

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Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 4:09pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Guns must be resisted with guns and a willingness to use them first.  I'd do that before I'd submit to being imprisoned when I'm innocent.
I hope you get the chance and that nobody but you gets hurt.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 4:11pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 3:52pm:
I have no moral obligation to sacrifice my safety and freedom so a policemen doesn't get fired for refusing to arrest an innocent man.
Tell me again how the policeman knows you're innocent?
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:26am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2018 at 4:11pm:
Tell me again how the policeman knows you're innocent?


It's hypothetical. Are you trying to make this about epistemology?  Not interested.  If you think there is no way to  ever really "know" anything, all further discussions become pointless.  Is that your goal? 

If he plans to put me in a cage or shoot me if I resist, shouldn't he have the burden to know I'm guilty?  Or can he morally fall back on "just following orders?"  If that's your answer, just say so.  You are definitely not alone in using that reasoning.  History is full of examples.


  

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Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 2:44pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:26am:
It's hypothetical.
In other words, the policeman has no way of knowing he's been sent to arrest an innocent man, but you feel justified in killing him?
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 2:48pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:26am:
If he plans to put me in a cage or shoot me if I resist, shouldn't he have the burden to know I'm guilty?
It's up to a judge to establish if there is reasonable cause to arrest you, because the judge is the one who hears the complaint and weighs the available evidence and testimony before a warrant for your arrest is issued.

As I said, if it happens that the police who are sent to arrest you have or know of evidence that seems to exonerate you, they are obligated to present it to the judge, who might then change her mind.
  
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