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Reply #70 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:16am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:11am:
Sure, I'll blame the bosses, not the police officer.  But it's the police officer there to harm me...
He's there to arrest you. If you resist with deadly force, he's justified in shooting you.

It's your choice.
  
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Reply #71 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 10:30am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:16am:
He's there to arrest you. If you resist with deadly force, he's justified in shooting you.

It's your choice.


He's in my home to harm an innocent man.  If he uses deadly force, I'm justified in shooting him. 

It's his choice.


  

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Reply #72 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 1:10pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 10:30am:
He's in my home to harm an innocent man.  If he uses deadly force, I'm justified in shooting him. 

It's his choice.

If the officer has a warrant, you cannot (legally) shoot him. 

Even if he (or they) do NOT have a warrant, ther may be "special circumstances" where the cop may force entry into your home.

"Probable Cause" is one of these special circumstances when a cop may (legally) force entry into a home without a warrant.

He/she does not need to tell you if he/she has 'probable cause'.  So your best bet is to do 3 things:

• surrender peacefully.

• do NOT give permission to search. (if you don't give permission to a search, any evidence the cops find cannot be admitted into Court)

• say NOTHING without a lawyer present. (anything you say can and WILL be used against you in Court).
  
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Reply #73 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 3:23pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 10:30am:
He's in my home to harm an innocent man.  If he uses deadly force, I'm justified in shooting him. 

It's his choice.


If some unknown person or persons break down your door in the middle of the night, I think you are justified in shooting them.

If it turns out to be the police, there will be lots of trouble for you if you do shoot them.

This is an instance where it would be good to not have any police, that way you could be certain that whoever it was that broke down your door could be shot without getting you into a legal morass such as you will likely encounter if you shoot a policeman in the same circumstances.

BTW, I don't think too many police come to your home intending to harm you, not even if they have a warrant for your arrest, and despite the impression you might have, most warrants are served by police knocking on your door and identifying themselves as police with a warrant.
  
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Reply #74 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
If some unknown person or persons break down your door in the middle of the night, I think you are justified in shooting them.

If it turns out to be the police, there will be lots of trouble for you if you do shoot them.


If they are already there to handcuff me, drive me to jail and throw me in a cell with violent criminals, the "lots of trouble" ship has sailed.

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This is an instance where it would be good to not have any police, that way you could be certain that whoever it was that broke down your door could be shot without getting you into a legal morass such as you will likely encounter if you shoot a policeman in the same circumstances.

BTW, I don't think too many police come to your home intending to harm you, not even if they have a warrant for your arrest, and despite the impression you might have, most warrants are served by police knocking on your door and identifying themselves as police with a warrant.


The harm I would be defending myself from is the legalized kidnapping of a false arrest and the tolerated rape/murder/torture in our government prison.  There is no circumstances under which I would meekly agree to that.


  

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Reply #75 - Oct 31st, 2018 at 7:09am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
If they are already there to handcuff me, drive me to jail and throw me in a cell with violent criminals, the "lots of trouble" ship has sailed.
Make your own decision. If the police knock on your door and say "Police, we have a warrant for your arrest" and you think it best to start shooting at them, it's your choice.

Will you shoot through the door?
  
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Reply #76 - Oct 31st, 2018 at 12:44pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 31st, 2018 at 7:09am:
Make your own decision. If the police knock on your door and say "Police, we have a warrant for your arrest" and you think it best to start shooting at them, it's your choice.

Will you shoot through the door?


I actually have a trapdoor on my porch so I'll just drop them through it by remote control.

Then, I'll go down in my basement where they will be waiting in a bullet proof cage.  I'll give them the same choice they gave me:  Be shot immediately or spend as many years as my system determines being caged and brutally beaten.

I hope they make the right choice . . .


  

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Reply #77 - Oct 31st, 2018 at 12:46pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 1:10pm:
If the officer has a warrant, you cannot (legally) shoot him. 

Even if he (or they) do NOT have a warrant, ther may be "special circumstances" where the cop may force entry into your home.

"Probable Cause" is one of these special circumstances when a cop may (legally) force entry into a home without a warrant.

He/she does not need to tell you if he/she has 'probable cause'.  So your best bet is to do 3 things:

• surrender peacefully.

• do NOT give permission to search. (if you don't give permission to a search, any evidence the cops find cannot be admitted into Court)

• say NOTHING without a lawyer present. (anything you say can and WILL be used against you in Court).


All very correct, but not what my question is about.  I know that the law requires me to immediately surrender all rights and dignity at the sight of an arrest warrant with my name on it.

I'm asking whether it's moral to defend myself from a false arrest.

  

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Reply #78 - Oct 31st, 2018 at 3:03pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 31st, 2018 at 12:44pm:
I actually have a trapdoor on my porch so I'll just drop them through it by remote control.

Then, I'll go down in my basement where they will be waiting in a bullet proof cage.  I'll give them the same choice they gave me:  Be shot immediately or spend as many years as my system determines being caged and brutally beaten.

I hope they make the right choice . . .



That's not even clever.
  
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Reply #79 - Oct 31st, 2018 at 3:04pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 31st, 2018 at 12:46pm:
I'm asking whether it's moral to defend myself from a false arrest.

Of course it is, and you can choose to do it within the law or outside the law.

It seems you choose to do it outside the law. Tsk tsk.
  
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