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'I'm From the Government, So I'm Smarter than You'
Oct 3rd, 2018 at 12:16pm
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Or maybe not:

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(CNN)An FBI bomb technician was wounded by a booby-trapped wheelchair on an Oregon property that was littered with trip wires, animal traps and a circular hot tub set to roll towards intruders like the boulder in "Raiders of the Lost Ark," according to court documents.
The property's former owner, who lost it in a civil judgment, has been charged with assault of a federal officer.
The special agent and three Oregon State Police bomb technicians went to the Williams, Oregon, house last month after Joseph Charter, the attorney appointed to sell the property as part of a civil lawsuit, found a sign warning that it was "protected by improvised devices."
Charter told CNN that he saw the sign when he went to check out the property August 29, but didn't see any obvious traps. When he came back the next day with a locksmith and a private investigator, they drove over nail-studded strips of wood that had been placed in the driveway, damaging the locksmith's tires.


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When the FBI agent and police visited the property on September 7, they found it protected by a variety of devices set to ambush intruders.
There was a minivan blocking the driveway that was rigged with two steel animal traps. The technicians disarmed them before moving towards the residence, the court documents said.
That's when they saw a circular hot tub that was propped up on its side like a large wheel.
Upon closer examination, the technicians discovered the hot tub was rigged so that when the front gate to the property was opened, a mechanical trigger would cause the tub to roll down a hill towards the gate -- much like the scene from "Raiders of the Lost Ark' in which Indiana Jones must outrun a giant boulder that he inadvertently triggered by a booby trap switch, court documents said.
After clearing that trap, officers split up to check the residence and an exterior garage, where they found a wooden rat trap that had been "altered to accommodate a shotgun shot shell," the documents said.
That trap had not been set, but was placed so that it would be tripped when the garage door was lifted.
The house had a reinforced security door and all of its windows were barred from the inside. The technicians used an explosive charge to breach the front door.
They then noticed a length of fishing line strung behind the door, but they couldn't see where it went.
The FBI agent and one of the state police technicians entered the house and saw a wheelchair in front of them. The documents say the chair was moved somehow, which triggered a loud blast.
The FBI agent was shot in the left leg. A hospital X-ray found a small pellet embedded in his leg below the knee, according to court documents. He was treated and released.
The property's previous owner, Gregory Lee Rodvelt, was awaiting trial in Arizona at the time on unrelated charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and unlawful possession of explosions, according to court documents. Rodvelt had been allowed to travel to Oregon to handle the civil matter, at which time authorities believe he booby-trapped the property.
Rodvelt, 67, was interviewed by an FBI agent September 7 in Surprise, Arizona, and described the trip wires and the hot tub trap. He was arrested the next day and charged with assault of a federal officer.
When asked to identify any other threats on the property, Rodvelt responded, "I would not race right in," the court documents said


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Nice of him to say, but those guys are kinda slow learners . . .

  

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Re: 'I'm From the Government, So I'm Smarter than You'
Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 2:58pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Or maybe not:


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Nice of him to say, but those guys are kinda slow learners . . .

I'm sure you would have done better.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 5:17pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 2:58pm:
I'm sure you would have done better.
What was the point of you starting this thread Red?
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 8:28pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 2:58pm:
I'm sure you would have done better.


I'm sure I would have also.

I certainly wouldn't have seen a sign that warned  "protected by improvised devices," and said, "I don't see nothin', drive on!"

One would think that the first trap they didn't see would have been a clue that just because they don't see the improvised devises doesn't mean they aren't there.

Yes, Jeff.  I'm pretty sure I would have done better.

Better than than the government men, I mean.  I'm not sure I could have come up with something as good as using the hot tub as a rolling booby trap.

  

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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 8:29pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 5:17pm:
What was the point of you starting this thread Red?


1)  To annoy you.  Check.

2)  To help you learn that people don't gain wisdom by being selected for a government office by elected representatives.  Check?

  

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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:07pm
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unlawful possession of explosions


I was laughing well before this point but this actually made me spew my drink out of my nose. Well done, sir.

I have but one question (two parts, potentially with the same answer): Why was the FBI on his property in the first place and what was he protecting with all of these traps? If he doesn't have some kind of golden idol, I'm going to be disappointed.

(Hint: The golden idol is a metaphor for the right to have all of that crap.)
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2018 at 9:31am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:07pm:
I was laughing well before this point but this actually made me spew my drink out of my nose. Well done, sir.

I have but one question (two parts, potentially with the same answer): Why was the FBI on his property in the first place and what was he protecting with all of these traps? If he doesn't have some kind of golden idol, I'm going to be disappointed.

(Hint: The golden idol is a metaphor for the right to have all of that crap.)


I think he was just being a wise guy.  He wanted to make them work to take his property.  I have to think he wasn't aware that an "FBI bomb technician" would be stupid enough to go into a house which he has been warned is booby trapped and start moving things around.  ("The documents say the chair was moved somehow, which triggered a loud blast."  Pffffft!)  Don't those guys have protective armor they're supposed to wear?  Do they not put it on unless they see a bundle of dynamite with an alarm clock on it? 

I see something new to laugh at every time I read it.  That lawyer didn't see any obvious traps?  He didn't see nail studded boards in the driveway?  Wile E. Coyote would have had a field day with those guys!

The only way this could have been better would have been, a) if they had tripped the rolling hot tub trap and b) if someone had been video recording when they did.

Remember that FBI bomb expert is who we're supposed to be profusely thinking for his service post 9/11.  Just like that dancing/backflipping FBI guy who shot a civilian in the leg.

Thanks, government!


  

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Reply #7 - Oct 4th, 2018 at 10:37am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 8:29pm:
2)  To help you learn that people don't gain wisdom by being selected for a government office by elected representatives.  Check?

What ever made you think I was laboring under that delusion?

Nobody suddenly gains wisdom by being elected either.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 4th, 2018 at 10:41am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 10:07pm:
I have but one question (two parts, potentially with the same answer): Why was the FBI on his property in the first place and what was he protecting with all of these traps?
He put up signs saying his property was booby trapped, which is probably illegal in Oregon. The local police probably called in the Feds because the Feds have more experience, training and expertise in identifying and disarming booby traps.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/

My guess is they just wanted to kill some Feds.

https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oregon-refuge-occupiers-booby-trap/2016/02/11/...
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2018 at 10:48am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 4th, 2018 at 10:41am:
He put up signs saying his property was booby trapped, which is probably illegal in Oregon. The local police probably called in the Feds because the Feds have more experience, training and expertise in identifying and disarming booby traps.



Wow!  Now, that was a good idea!

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