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Oct 9th, 2018 at 5:19pm
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Remember them? I was introduced to them in 7th Grade I think.

They are a useful tool for teaching children to think logically, mathematically.

Here's a challenge Red, use these sets to create a Venn diagram-

Pure communists, anarchists, Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats, Socialists, Democrats, Progressives and pure libertarians.

Probably it is far beyond your abilities for logical thought. No problem.
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 5:32pm
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I made much use of Venn diagrams when I taught middle school math.

I don’t have a drawing tool that I could use here so I’ll describe what that Venn diagram would look like.

All those you mentioned will be in a circle together along with Republicans, Mister GOP.  That circle will be labeled “influence peddlers.” 

Another circle called “nanny-statists” will enclose all of them while still another will be called non-statists and will have the spectrum of libertarians part of which will be in the junction of all three circles, but most of them will be in the non-statist circle.

If you want to transfer wealth in the form of education form working people to non-working people based on the decisions of elected officials, I have to place you in the statist/influence groups junction.

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Actually,,, the non-statist circle cannot intersect with the other two.   It would have to be shaped to fit tightly against both with many who call themselves libertarians being on the wrong side of the line.

BTW, that line can placed exactly at the point at which a person is statist enough to think that taxes are “morally justified theft.  Further left of that spectrum would be people who don’t understand why you and I know that taxes are indeed theft.

You are so close, Jeff.  So close.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 5:56pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
I made much use of Venn diagrams when I taught middle school math.

I don’t have a drawing tool that I could use here so I’ll describe what that Venn diagram would look like.

All those you mentioned will be in a circle together along with Republicans, Mister GOP.  That circle will be labeled “influence peddlers.” 

You don't have a pencil?

And the most logical connections you can make tell you they are all the same? Cheesy
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:00pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
Actually,,, the non-statist circle cannot intersect with the other two.
"Non-statists"? They weren't one of the sets you were given to work with...

I knew it would be too hard for you.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:09am
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Here's how I see it, taking a few of Jeff's categories.

Everything should be obvious except 1 and 2.

I believe they exist - democratic socialist democratic whatevers, pursuing social justice and peddling anarchy to do so, simply because there's no better way to get your social justice than anarchy.

Even If you don't actually believe in anarchy, it's a convenient way to pile boatloads of rights onto the people you want to have them.

Upset that somebody offended you? Sue them. You have every right under anarchy. Anything you want to be a tort is a tort - if the judge agrees with you. Anarchy is a convenient way to get more and more rights, but only for those you want, and defend powerful liberal judges who legislate from the bench. When it comes to civil cases, they should legislate from the bench - it's all about precedent (until it isn't).

And if you do believe in anarchy, it's not hard to see that private courts will control what is considered to be aggression and what is not. This too is a windfall for all sorts of progressive redistributionaries and hypocrites. Want a world where you can buy right and wrong, like the progressives want to? That's AnCap.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:12am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Even If you don't actually believe in anarchy, it's a convenient way to pile boatloads of rights onto the people you want to have them.

Upset that somebody offended you? Sue them. You have every right under anarchy. Anything you want to be a tort is a tort - if the judge agrees with you.
Anarchy has courts and judges that anyone would pay any attention to?

Who enforces the rulings of the judges and juries?

What is the definition of anarchy you have in mind lizard?
  
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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:26am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
"Non-statists"? They weren't one of the sets you were given to work with...

I knew it would be too hard for you.


Ok, Non-absolute.

You tell me how those “sets” differ.

I see no need for anything but a single circle to enclose them all plus Republicans and that’s not much of a Venn diagram. 

But, I can’t wait to read the right answer. 

Also tell me how I can use a pencil on this board, please and thank you.

  

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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:36am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:26am:
You tell me how those “sets” differ.

I see no need for anything but a single circle to enclose them all plus Republicans and that’s not much of a Venn diagram. 
An electronic pencil. Lizard figured it out.

If you think democratic socialists and libertarians are in the same set, you're hopelessly confused.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:52am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:36am:
An electronic pencil. Lizard figured it out.


Oppo is way smarter than me.  I never heard of "electronic pencils."  I'm shocked that they exist!   Grin

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If you think democratic socialists and libertarians are in the same set, you're hopelessly confused.


Ah, I didn't catch that you included libertarians.  They would be in a separate circle then. I see no overlap, but I am eager to read the correct answer . . .

  

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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Ah, I didn't catch that you included libertarians.  They would be in a separate circle then. I see no overlap, but I am eager to read the correct answer . . .

It's tricky...

Do you see any difference in the claimed ideologies of democrats and democratic socialists? Can you trust what they claim to be is what they actually are?

And anarchists. They're a real problem for me. Do they really want no government at all? Do you really believe that social democrats also want no government at all?

Keep working at it. Think at a doctoral level...
  
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