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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:01am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42am:
It's tricky...

Do you see any difference in the claimed ideologies of democrats and democratic socialists?


Nope.  Nor in actual ideologies of Republicans.

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Can you trust what they claim to be is what they actually are?
Nope.

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And anarchists. They're a real problem for me. Do they really want no government at all?


Nope.

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Do you really believe that social democrats also want no government at all?


Nope.  I see no difference among those statists.

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Keep working at it. Think at a doctoral level...


Nope.

I”m stumped.  Use your “electronic pencil” and draw it for me.  I can’t open Oppo’s though, so it may do no good.  So explain also, please and thank you.
  

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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:16pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:01am:
Nope.  Nor in actual ideologies of Republicans.

Nope.


Nope.


Nope.  I see no difference among those statists.


Nope.

I”m stumped.
From your point of view, you've drawn it correctly, a big circle with everyone inside except maybe some libertarians, because everyone is really a statist, including anarchists.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:08pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:09am:
http://oi65.tinypic.com/w7io46.jpg

Here's how I see it, taking a few of Jeff's categories.

Everything should be obvious except 1 and 2.


You did well lizard. I expected some rational person to say that most of the sets I prescribed are far too vague for use in anything as logical as a Venn diagram...

Anyway, the only glaring mistake I see is that you made the set "libertarians" too small.

Had you made it large enough in the diagram to cover "1 and 2", I'd give you an A. A gold star if you prefer.

But you didn't. You don't get an A.

I think it's your ideological predispositions that sometimes interfere with you seeing clearly.

Too bad.

  
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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:11pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
From your point of view, you've drawn it correctly, a big circle with everyone inside except maybe some libertarians, because everyone is really a statist, including anarchists.
You do realize that you set libertarians in opposition to everybody in the world? Which means, conversely, that everyone in your imaginary world is opposed to the ideas of human liberty?


  
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Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:13pm
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I'm really disappointed in you Red. I thought as a mind scientist specializing (?) in learning and teaching, you would have explained the worthlessness of my test...
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:08pm:
You did well lizard. I expected some rational person to say that most of the sets I prescribed are far too vague for use in anything as logical as a Venn diagram...

Anyway, the only glaring mistake I see is that you made the set "libertarians" too small.

Had you made it large enough in the diagram to cover "1 and 2", I'd give you an A. A gold star if you prefer.

But you didn't. You don't get an A.

I think it's your ideological predispositions that sometimes interfere with you seeing clearly.

Too bad.

Of course I noted that you made all the sets identical in size, that's why you got a failing grade on this assignment. Cry
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:36pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm:
Of course I noted that you made all the sets identical in size, that's why you got a failing grade on this assignment. Cry


If you believe that's what I did, then very well.

You asked for a Venn diagram and got one.

Neither the request nor its fulfillment gave you the ability to understand it, however.

You're talking about the size of the categories. Do you know what the X's mean? Do you know what the shaded areas represent?

Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 8:36am:
An electronic pencil. Lizard figured it out.


That's right. My Star Trek technology allows me to draw right on the screen. But technically, it's a holographic pencil.
  

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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:39am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:36pm:
If you believe that's what I did, then very well.

You asked for a Venn diagram and got one.

Neither the request nor its fulfillment gave you the ability to understand it, however.

You're talking about the size of the categories. Do you know what the X's mean? Do you know what the shaded areas represent?


If you don't consider the size of the sets, their intersections won't tell you anything real, but no, of course I can't understand the diagram you drew.

  
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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #18 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 11:27am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
From your point of view, you've drawn it correctly, a big circle with everyone inside except maybe some libertarians, because everyone is really a statist, including anarchists.


Well, yes, that's true.  You're either a libertarian or a statist.  Because anarchy would necessarily lead to our being governed by anyone willing to use violence at a time when there is no government to stop it, libertarians are the only non-statists.

I think you don't get how a Venn diagram works.  Often there are sets that stand alone, depending on the criteria.  For example, if I had asked some seventh graders to diagram numbers based on whole, prime or composite, it would require three circles.  There would be one number in the whole number only circle and infinity numbers in each the other two.  There would be no numbers in the intersection between prime and composite and the whole number circle would encompass all numbers, leaving one number in the whole number circle but not in the other two.

I can't see Opposition's diagram so I'm not sure what you mean about his circles not being the same size, but I do know that for a Venn diagram, size of circles doesn't matter.

Your test is worthy.  What is the rubric?

  

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Re: Venn Diagrams
Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 12:53pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 11:27am:
Well, yes, that's true.  You're either a libertarian or a statist.  Because anarchy would necessarily lead to our being governed by anyone willing to use violence at a time when there is no government to stop it, libertarians are the only non-statists.

I think you don't get how a Venn diagram works.  Often there are sets that stand alone, depending on the criteria.  For example, if I had asked some seventh graders to diagram numbers based on whole, prime or composite, it would require three circles.  There would be one number in the whole number only circle and infinity numbers in each the other two.  There would be no numbers in the intersection between prime and composite and the whole number circle would encompass all numbers, leaving one number in the whole number circle but not in the other two.

I can't see Opposition's diagram so I'm not sure what you mean about his circles not being the same size, but I do know that for a Venn diagram, size of circles doesn't matter.

Your test is worthy.  What is the rubric?

For the diagram that would need to be constructed using the categories I prescribed, size of the sets is very important, but very few individuals would be arrogant (or stupid) enough to try to create a Venn diagram out of sets as amorphous and ill defined as those I suggested.

Most libertarians think that a limited government is necessary. I am among them, and you have frequently called me a statist because of it.

It's too bad you can't see the lizard's diagram. It added a set, "minarchists", that I did not include, but included the set "libertarians" which I did specify...

Would you agree with the lizard that libertarians and minarchists are different sets that overlap to some degree? Why?

How about the set "anarchists" which the lizard shows intersecting with all the other categories, including "progressives"?

An anarchist "progressive" is an oxymoron to me, a non-existent figment...

My purpose for the post? I'm studying your minds.
  
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