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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 24th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
We agree, then:

The reason I think it's in the Supreme Court is that there are too many "progressive" judges making decisions based on theories of "social justice" rather than the law.
  
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #11 - Oct 24th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 24th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
The reason I think it's in the Supreme Court is that there are too many "progressive" judges making decisions based on theories of "social justice" rather than the law.

I agree. 

I'm sure the Supreme Court will rule against government regulation of social-media outlets.

If they fail to do this, they will lose all respectability as a Judicial body.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 24th, 2018 at 9:20pm
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I will give up as much tax money as you want, even 100% of my income, if they also force Facebook and YouTube to be politically neutral.

Both of these things are against the NAP, you see: My money being taken and a private business being forced to do, or not do, anything.

The typical libertarian agrees that both of these things are wrong in theory but insists that in actuality, I must sacrifice for the greater good while Facebook and YouTube should have their absolute rights no matter the cost.

I'll let you pick: Principles, or practicality?

If it's principles, hands off my money. If it's practicality, stop YouTube from unfairly banning conservatives.

Rights for everyone, or no one.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #13 - Oct 24th, 2018 at 10:57pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 24th, 2018 at 9:20pm:
I will give up as much tax money as you want, even 100% of my income, if they also force Facebook and YouTube to be politically neutral.

Both of these things are against the NAP, you see...

Right. Taxes are here to stay - Congress would never vote to cut off their only means of legally stealing people's money.

But SCOTUS will not force social media outlets to be politically neutral.  They can't - private companies have no obligation to be politically neutral.   Besides, there's no way to enforce it even if they did.

They can't force CNN or MSNBC to be politically neutral.  Can you imagine the howls of protest from them?  Grin   Grin
  
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2018 at 4:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 24th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case that could determine whether users can challenge social media companies on free speech grounds.   (Manhattan Community Access Corp. v. Halleck)

The case could have broader implications for social media and other media outlets.

That could shape the ability of companies like Facebook, Twitter and Alphabet's Google to control the content on their platforms as lawmakers clamor for more regulation and activists on the left and right spar over issues related to censorship and harassment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/supreme-court-case-could-decide-fb-twitter-power...

All of these privately owned social media outlets should be immune to anti-1st Amendment lawsuits, imo.

These are Private companies, and should have the freedom to censor any material they want.

Any privately owned newspaper editor has the unquestioned freedom to censor Op-Ed material, right?

Why should a privately owned social-media outlet be any different?   

This seems like a no-brainer to me.  I cant imagine why the Supreme Court was called to make a ruling on this matter.   

A 7th-grader should be able to rule on this.
Is the case proceeding?
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 26th, 2018 at 4:52pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 26th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
Is the case proceeding?

Yes, but it could take years for the Supreme Court to make a ruling.

They're really back-logged.
  
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #16 - Oct 26th, 2018 at 5:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 26th, 2018 at 4:52pm:
Yes, but it could take years for the Supreme Court to make a ruling.

They're really back-logged.
Cases concerning gender rights are keeping them from trivial things like free speech?

No, sorry, I was being reactionary.

It must be these cases that are all more important-

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554225345/supreme-court-adds-...

Of course the Abood case is important as it also concerns rights described by the 1st Amendment.

While the Supreme Court dithers, the government proceeds apace in intimidating social media platforms and coercing them into making crony deals.

Is there some new category of speech that isn't really a right? Will private social media platforms, because they are so popular, be prohibited from having political opinions, or from expressing them by saying "Democratic Socialists are not welcome here"? Or selectively deciding, on an individual basis, that some particular person is not welcome at their home?
  
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #17 - Oct 26th, 2018 at 11:51pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 24th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Right. Taxes are here to stay - Congress would never vote to cut off their only means of legally stealing people's money.

But SCOTUS will not force social media outlets to be politically neutral.  They can't - private companies have no obligation to be politically neutral.   Besides, there's no way to enforce it even if they did.

They can't force CNN or MSNBC to be politically neutral.  Can you imagine the howls of protest from them?  Grin   Grin


You have a bunch of rights that are completely unworkable in the real world, but you demand I make it work when it comes to respecting the rights of others.

When it comes to any rights I might have, well, I sort of kind of have them in theory but it doesn't really matter.

I want to ask you if you think something can be considered wrong if only 1% of the population think it's wrong.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 12:19am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 26th, 2018 at 11:51pm:
I want to ask you if you think something can be considered wrong if only 1% of the population think it's wrong.

Of course it can.

But if something is actually wrong, and only 1% of the population think it's wrong, then our civilization is in big trouble!   

I don't want to be alive when that happens.    Smiley
  
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Re: SCOTUS To Rule On 1st Amendment Case Regarding Social Media
Reply #19 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:02am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 12:19am:
Of course it can.

But if something is actually wrong, and only 1% of the population think it's wrong, then our civilization is in big trouble!   

I don't want to be alive when that happens.    Smiley


Alright, what about zero percent? Can something be wrong if no one on your entire planet thinks it actually is wrong?
  

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