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Oct 27th, 2018 at 3:18pm
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I'd like a simple list of the things each poster considers aggression - in other words, things that are harmful enough to others that they should be punished by force, and can justly be punished by force.

And screw your civil court and tort law bullshit - you're punishing me with force  - extracting reparations by force - and calling it justice so I must have aggressed.

My list that I actually think should be followed consists of hitting and stealing. That's it. Any form of unprovoked assault is hitting, and taking what belongs to someone else is stealing.

If you think more should be on the list, like making noise or threatening others, I challenge you to post it here before you pull that trump card out of your ass in some other thread. Libertarianism is a simple philosophy, right? The NAP is easy to interpret? Prove it. Make a list.

Even if I'm not going on a libertarian philosophy, but the philosophy you all ridicule as Statist, I can very easily make a list. It'd be short. My guess is that a list any of you would actually stick to would be too long for the character limit.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 3:51pm
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farting in an elevator should be on the list. 

It's an assault of a sort, and should be a punishable offense.

Although sometimes it's difficult to finger the perp, because naturally, the one who did it will say it was someone else!   Angry

In Port Arthur, Texas, there actually is a law against this.

http://lonestar92.com/ten-things-you-didnt-know-where-illegal-in-texas/
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:36pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
I'd like a simple list....
So make one. Nothing is holding you back.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:40pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
farting in an elevator should be on the list. 

I can shoot you if you fart on an elevator?

Even if the elevator has been stranded for weeks, and the last child we ate (but only because we ran out of M&Ms) was getting rotten before we finished eating it...

It was that rotten meat that made me fart...

Why does that give you the right to shoot me?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
So make one. Nothing is holding you back.
How are you doing with your list lizard? With your genius and faultless memory, you should have one completed by now...

Please post it. Thanks.

Edit: Kiss
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 5:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
So make one. Nothing is holding you back.


I already told you: Hitting, stealing. This is the list I believe is right.

Even if I just go balls to the wall selfish, my list would still be extremely short.

You can't make one at all. None of you can.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 6:23pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
I already told you: Hitting, stealing. This is the list I believe is right.

I can shoot you, just so long as I don't hit you first?

I thought you were all up on it about fraud not being aggression?

Does that still hold?

If I steal your property by defrauding you with lies and false promises, that's still OK with you?
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2018 at 6:27pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
I'd like a simple list of the things each poster considers aggression...
That's not possible.

Human beings are so creative and inventive that they've come up with countless ways to commit aggression against other people.

As usual, your ideology makes your mind both narrow and shallow.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 28th, 2018 at 1:55am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 27th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
I can shoot you if you fart on an elevator?

Sure you can.   If yer powder's dry and yer aim is true!
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 28th, 2018 at 7:16am
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1. Initiating physical force

2. Initiating threats of physical force

3. Initiating fraud

There ya go
  
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