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At what point can a non-Voluntaryist ideology be considered a threat?
Nov 3rd, 2018 at 1:55pm
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Alt-righters advocate force against non-whites, communists advocate force against capitalists, wahhabists advocate force against infidels, etc etc.

These are all just ideologies, and the usual kneejerk reaction is that they should be protected under free speech. But we know these people would carry out their beliefs if they had the means, and we also know they are constantly trying to acquire those means.

So at what point can we consider it a threat of force, and therefore justified to suppress it with force?
  
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Re: At what point can a non-Voluntaryist ideology be considered a threat?
Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2018 at 3:23pm
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Some Voluntaryist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:
So at what point can we consider it a threat of force, and therefore justified to suppress it with force?


Never. Individuals present threats, not groups.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the alt-right is correct, and 999/1000 Muslims are violent.

It does not matter. If you initiate force against any of them, you are the aggressor.

It wouldn't matter if all of them would hurt you if given the chance. The person who initiates force is the aggressor. This is how individualism works. You must wait for each individual to present a clear and present threat before you can defend. Statistics don't count, even if they were overwhelming, because people are individuals.

Some might consider this position heavily exploitable by those seeking to do wrong, but those seeking to do wrong have always been good at making others look like the aggressors.

Libertarianism provides a clear line. If you're willing to step over that line to preserve society, that's your choice, and it will generally be necessary if you're dead-set on preserving some "greater good" no matter where you place the line.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: At what point can a non-Voluntaryist ideology be considered a threat?
Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2018 at 4:48pm
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Some Voluntaryist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Alt-righters advocate force against non-whites, communists advocate force against capitalists, wahhabists advocate force against infidels, etc etc.

These are all just ideologies, and the usual kneejerk reaction is that they should be protected under free speech. But we know these people would carry out their beliefs if they had the means, and we also know they are constantly trying to acquire those means.

So at what point can we consider it a threat of force, and therefore justified to suppress it with force?
People organizing into gangs/tribes for the purpose of committing very serious criminal acts are stupid to advertise that that's what they are doing. Cheesy

One of the things that makes everyone's right of free speech non-absolute is that it's criminal and punishable to incite people to violence, the reason being that it often works and people end up dead or tarred and feathered or burned out or lynched.

We pay our governments lots of money to keep an eye on that sort of people, but it's obvious from recent events that they aren't doing their jobs.

Edit: Communists/Democratic Socialists are always a threat because their ideology requires you to be a communist or else.

They're like Borg.
  
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