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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #20 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:44am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:23pm:
If you have power, it's easy to gain wealth, and the wealthier you get (and I'm speaking of governments here) the more power you can buy and wield.

The Pound Sterling and then the U.S. Dollar didn't become reserve currencies because other countries wanted to use them to help Britain and then the U.S. become more powerful, they became reserve currencies because they were sound money that was available for use in a world where sound money was rare and the available national currencies were prone to be worthless.

Wilson and at least some other powerful progressives in the federal government, I think, actually believed they could remake the world into a peaceful commonwealth, a League of Nations that would prevent another war from every breaking out and bring prosperity to the entire world.

Cynics in the government were lying and cooking up deals to make themselves rich off the war, and looking for ways to usurp power.

The European Empires had territorial ambitions as usual, or they had become fat and lazy and were doing progressive things (short of granting actual control of the government to the people, granting them actual individual liberty Shocked), so they ruined their economies (their central banks helped) and welcomed war as a way to take the people's minds off of revolution.

The theme of cronies making lots of money and governments gaining more power runs beneath all wars.

WWI wasn't to save America and the West from International Communism, but Korea and Vietnam were.

But cronies still got really rich and the government got more power.

WWII wasn't straightforward either. There was a realization that if the National Socialists controlled all of Europe, our primary markets of the time might be shut off. Sure, Stalin was willing to buy all the war materiel we'd sell him as long as we loaned him the money to buy it. Grin

There were a lot of rich powerful industrialists who wanted the war so they could remain prosperous.

If they were smart, they were aware that their large size made them vulnerable in times of rapid change. Stability is good for business and trade... War is pretty good too if you get government contracts...


Wilson lied about his intentions with regard to the war, in order to get re-elected and get the US into the war.  I would not take him at his word about whatever he believed in.
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #21 - Nov 27th, 2018 at 4:37pm
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BobK71 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:44am:
Wilson lied about his intentions with regard to the war, in order to get re-elected and get the US into the war.  I would not take him at his word about whatever he believed in.
These were things that Wilson evidently did believe in judging by his actions as well as his words..
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 10:11am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
These were things that Wilson evidently did believe in judging by his actions as well as his words..


So you believe he did believe in staying out of the war before the election, and did change his mind as soon as he was re-elected?  I've got a bridge to sell you....
  
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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 4:08pm
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BobK71 wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 10:11am:
So you believe he did believe in staying out of the war before the election, and did change his mind as soon as he was re-elected?  I've got a bridge to sell you....
No, I believe he did lie about that.
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #24 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 2:38pm
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June 28th 1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and wife) murdered in a motorcade.  That started WW I.   Or did it?

There are conspiracy theories. Some say the groundwork for WW I actually began 23 years earlier in 1891.

3 men,  William T. Stead,  Reginald Brett, and Cecil Rhodes formed a secret society with the primary objective to "recover the USA as an integral part of the British Empire"

It was to become the British equivalent of the Deep State.

In order to get the US trapped into the master plan, Colonel Edward M. House said to Woodrow Wilson:

"Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges."

Shortly after this, the 16th Amendment was ratified.  With the Income Tax, Wilson could fund the war he so desperately wanted.

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Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:17pm
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The more I read about it, the deeper the rabbit hole went.

The first I heard of it, it was something to which I said, "Well, it's just weird and I don't understand it because I'm not a German. Fair enough. I'm sure a lot of people from other countries would be weirded out if I assumed they had context and started talking about people dumping tea in the ocean because they hated the British."

I don't believe it had anything at all to do with the assassination of some royal dweeb.
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:19pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:17pm:
I don't believe it had anything at all to do with the assassination of some royal dweeb.
Will you give us your supergenius explanation of what did start the Great War? Thanks.
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #27 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Will you give us your supergenius explanation of what did start the Great War? Thanks.


Supergeniuses aren't afraid to say, "I don't know."

One of the many conspiracy theories out there is probably true. Why don't you watch the video? That'd be a good start.
  

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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #28 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:40pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Supergeniuses aren't afraid to say, "I don't know."

One of the many conspiracy theories out there is probably true.
A conspiracy of errors misjudgements and bad judgement compounded by arrogance and stupidity.

That's my choice. Smiley
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #29 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 6:08pm
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C'mon lizard, you were bold enough to say this-

"I don't believe it had anything at all to do with the assassination of some royal dweeb."

Was that said out of complete ignorance?
  
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