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Reply #40 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 10:14am
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 10:09pm:
Exactly.

So did this give Germany the "right" to sink her?  Of course not.  But its solid evidence that the Lusitania was a Military target.
Nations at war feel they do have the right to attack military targets Chief... I happen to agree with them.

What was actually wrong about the whole thing was that Wilson/Congress were supporting the war effort against the Axis Powers without declaring war on them.

Who do you suppose crated up the arms and ammunition to be loaded on the Lusitania and labeled it as foodstuffs? Who chose the Lusitania as the transport ship?
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #41 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 12:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 10:14am:
Who do you suppose crated up the arms and ammunition to be loaded on the Lusitania and labeled it as foodstuffs? Who chose the Lusitania as the transport ship?

The arms and ammunition on the Lusitania were loaded in New York, so it was most likely that Americans did all the crating.   It was probably the Brits who labelled the munition crates as food.

I don't know why they would do that - perhaps they didn't want civilian passengers to know they were on a ship carrying munitions?

But it reveals that the US was already involved in WW I in 1915.
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #42 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 3:55pm
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It's no secret that I don't think the free market always has the good results advertised (though I think it's moral nonetheless).

But war, however, is really an issue where you can't say less government wouldn't be a good thing.

Massive cost, massive waste, massive death, all made possible by the fact that taxes pay for it all.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #43 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:28pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 12:25pm:
The arms and ammunition on the Lusitania were loaded in New York, so it was most likely that Americans did all the crating.   It was probably the Brits who labelled the munition crates as food.

I don't know why they would do that - perhaps they didn't want civilian passengers to know they were on a ship carrying munitions?

The Brits were busy... You really think they sent people here to work together with the Americans who crated up the arms and ammo?

Did Wilson want to be sure everybody knew the Lusitania would be carrying war materiel to Germany's enemy?

If you don't want people noticing whats in crates being loaded on a ship, not labeling them at all would work, as long as they had some way of knowing who they were to be delivered too.

But yes, Wilson definitely didn't want the innocent people getting on the ship to know it was in serious danger of being sunk, elsewise nobody would have got onboard. It was also a secret that Wilson was Aiding the Allies directly by providing them with weapons at taxpayer expense. Unconstitutional and all that...
  
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Re: Remembering the First World War
Reply #44 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:28pm:
It was also a secret that Wilson was Aiding the Allies directly by providing them with weapons at taxpayer expense. Unconstitutional and all that...

Isn't that treason?
  
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Reply #45 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Isn't that treason?
Apparently only if Congress thinks so, and they were in on it... Certainly it's morally repugnant to send innocents to almost certain death to serve your own purpose.

The American people were the only ones who wanted to stay out of the Great War. Our "progressive" federal government were the one's who drove us into it.

Some people called it treason, but it was dangerous to criticize our government during that time and the courts were "progressive" too, mostly.
  
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