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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #40 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 4:27pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 10:29am:
That's how government grows.  When we just do what they say without thinking about it.
Governments that are left to define their own powers are unlimited and will certainly grow into some form of tyranny.

If your state government takes your vehicle because you were driving 5 mph over the limit, your vehicle is gone, unless you can convince SCOTUS there is something unconstitutional about that sort of thing. That will take years if you are even allowed to proceed..

The real question is, why is this sort of behavior by state governments questionable? Why wasn't it's ugly head cut off the very first time it appeared?

You already know the answer. Government corruption.

Are you in with us on stopping it by indictments and prosecutions?

Swell.

Where does the Justice Department stand on this issue?
  
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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #41 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 4:27pm:
Governments that are left to define their own powers


Which are all of them.

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are unlimited and will certainly grow into some form of tyranny.


Always have, always will.

Unless you can name some exceptions?

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If your state government takes your vehicle because you were driving 5 mph over the limit, your vehicle is gone, unless you can convince SCOTUS there is something unconstitutional about that sort of thing. That will take years if you are even allowed to proceed..

The real question is, why is this sort of behavior by state governments questionable? Why wasn't it's ugly head cut off the very first time it appeared?

You already know the answer. Government corruption.

Are you in with us on stopping it by indictments and prosecutions?

Swell.

Where does the Justice Department stand on this issue?


Firmly on the side of their fellow government profiteers.


  

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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #42 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:19am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Which are all of them.
No, not the U.S. government. It's legitimate powers are enumerated in the Constitution and can't be changed without the approval of the people as specified in Article V.
  
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Reply #43 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 2:35pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:19am:
No, not the U.S. government. It's legitimate powers are enumerated in the Constitution and can't be changed without the approval of the people as specified in Article V.


  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #44 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 5:47pm
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Agreed then.
  
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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #45 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 11:28am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:19am:
No, not the U.S. government. It's legitimate powers are enumerated in the Constitution and can't be changed without the approval of the people as specified in Article V.


But it is left to government to define those legitimate powers.   


  

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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #46 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 4:29pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 11:28am:
But it is left to government to define those legitimate powers.   


No it is not. Governments that define their own powers are tyrannies.

To be accurate you should say our government has usurped that power and misused it badly.
  
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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #47 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:51am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 4:29pm:
No it is not. Governments that define their own powers are tyrannies.

To be accurate you should say our government has usurped that power and misused it badly.


Who else could define a government’s powers besides that government a higher level of government?

Since Marbury v. Madison, there has been near universal agreement that it is the USSC who makes rulings in cases arising under the Constitution, just as the Constitution calls for.  You don’t like that start a movement for an amendment to change it.  But don’t say that the Constitution is unconstitutional; that makes zero sense.

  

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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #48 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:14pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Who else could define a government’s powers besides that government a higher level of government?


The free people that created the U.S. government are a higher power.

The Constitution legally defines the government's power and that granted power can only be redefined or otherwise altered by agreement of the people who created the government in the first place.

I know you think magic was involved, but it wasn't, just genius.
  
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Re: Rubber Dogshit at the Dollar General
Reply #49 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:14pm:
The free people that created the U.S. government are a higher power.


The slavers?

Can a slave master really be considered a free person?  There is a theory that one of our fellow posters espouses that no being that doesn't understand freedom and rights can have freedom and rights. 

I find it hard to believe that a man who thought it was fine to "own," rape and impregnate an early teenage girl could found a free country.  I know that it was not free after the constitution.

  

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