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The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:44pm
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LP and activists generally focus on today, while a bigger problem is the viability of libertarian thought in the future.

Left bias is infiltrating the public schools at an alarming rate. This was once a problem unique to liberal strongholds, but with curriculum in all subjects nationalizing - the risk is increasing, and the results are becoming more clear. See https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/05/9-years-common-core-test-scores-indoctrinat...

Democratic socialists are encouraging their members to become public school teachers.  Which is fine by me, but at the same time - there is vanishingly less tolerance within the K-12 system for non-left ideas. Astonishingly, this is becoming true even in hard subjects  like math and sciences which one might assume should be immune to political ideology.

Aside from working to keep our children's minds open in our own families - what can we do about this?

I started a libertarian children's book company, and I'm considering transitioning from a career in law to a career in teaching. But I'm increasingly concerned about this and I'm not feeling optimistic about the general trend.


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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:00pm
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
LP and activists generally focus on today, while a bigger problem is the viability of libertarian thought in the future.

Left bias is infiltrating the public schools at an alarming rate. This was once a problem unique to liberal strongholds, but with curriculum in all subjects nationalizing - the risk is increasing, and the results are becoming more clear. See https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/05/9-years-common-core-test-scores-indoctrinat...

Democratic socialists are encouraging their members to become public school teachers.  Which is fine by me, but at the same time - there is vanishingly less tolerance within the K-12 system for non-left ideas. Astonishingly, this is becoming true even in hard subjects  like math and sciences which one might assume should be immune to political ideology.

Aside from working to keep our children's minds open in our own families - what can we do about this?

I started a libertarian children's book company, and I'm considering transitioning from a career in law to a career in teaching. But I'm increasingly concerned about this and I'm not feeling optimistic about the general trend.


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That is awesome, Dori!

I'm going to strongly recommend that Jeff read as much of your library as he can process.  I think it could teach him a LOT.

  

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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:45pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
That is awesome, Dori!

I'm going to strongly recommend that Jeff read as much of your library as he can process.  I think it could teach him a LOT.

I read the article from the Federalist that Dong linked to, I might have even posted it on this forum, I know I thought about it.

What I keep saying, local control of local schools and local schools choosing their own curricula.

Many people might want nonsense taught to their children. Let them choose it locally for their own children.

The article begins by stating that Obama "lured" the states into adopting Common Core...

That puzzled me but I didn't bother to find out how it was done.

How do you "lure" a state legislature into doing what you want them to?

Why haven't the states seen that it's not working as advertised and stopped it?

Is the hook being re-baited with our tax dollars every year?

Do members of the state legislatures benefit personally?

Too many questions....




  
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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 8:07pm
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
I started a libertarian children's book company, and I'm considering transitioning from a career in law to a career in teaching. But I'm increasingly concerned about this and I'm not feeling optimistic about the general trend.
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Good for you, Dori.

Don’t Hurt People and Don’t Take Their Toys should be mandatory reading for all members of Congress, IMO. 

...We might see some better laws from the lawmakers who should be representing us!

You could rename it Don't Tax People and Don't Take Their Wealth.  The actual text could probably remain untouched because the same principles apply...  "If it ain't yours, don't take it."

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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:44am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
What I keep saying, local control of local schools and local schools choosing their own curricula.

Many people might want nonsense taught to their children. Let them choose it locally for their own children.



What if fifty-one percent of the local people want nonsense taught to children?  The other forty-nine percent still have to pay for it even though they also have to pay for private schools that teach real learning?

  

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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:33pm
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They lure them using federal grant money. Larry Sharpe actually talked about this quite a bit in his run for governor of NY.

The problem is, if the local govt's refuse the federal grant money they get pushback from their constituents for not taking federal money for schools. They would be painted as anti-education. And so effectively, pretty much everyone takes the money (and ends up with the attached conditions).

Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
I read the article from the Federalist that Dong linked to, I might have even posted it on this forum, I know I thought about it.

What I keep saying, local control of local schools and local schools choosing their own curricula.

Many people might want nonsense taught to their children. Let them choose it locally for their own children.

The article begins by stating that Obama "lured" the states into adopting Common Core...

That puzzled me but I didn't bother to find out how it was done.

How do you "lure" a state legislature into doing what you want them to?

Why haven't the states seen that it's not working as advertised and stopped it?

Is the hook being re-baited with our tax dollars every year?

Do members of the state legislatures benefit personally?

Too many questions....




  
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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:34pm
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I think Matt Kibbe covered that well with "Don't Hurt People and Don't Take Their Stuff" - "wealth" might be too high of a concept for my age group Smiley

SkyChief wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 8:07pm:
Good for you, Dori.

Don’t Hurt People and Don’t Take Their Toys should be mandatory reading for all members of Congress, IMO. 

...We might see some better laws from the lawmakers who should be representing us!

You could rename it Don't Tax People and Don't Take Their Wealth.  The actual text could probably remain untouched because the same principles apply...  "If it ain't yours, don't take it."

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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:29am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:44am:
What if fifty-one percent of the local people want nonsense taught to children?
They will create problems for the future of their community.

Would you rather have the federal government mandate that nonsense be taught everywhere?


  
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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #8 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:37am
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:33pm:
They lure them using federal grant money. Larry Sharpe actually talked about this quite a bit in his run for governor of NY.

The problem is, if the local govt's refuse the federal grant money they get pushback from their constituents for not taking federal money for schools. They would be painted as anti-education. And so effectively, pretty much everyone takes the money (and ends up with the attached conditions).

The local government and school administrators who benefit most from state and federal money in their school systems are motivated to keep educational outcomes poor so they can claim to need even more money.

People aren't happy with their school systems in very many places, and they are pushing their governments to improve the schools, while libertarians are trying to educate as many people as possible about the bad results of not having control of your own children's education.

Teacher's unions are a big part of the problem as are all government unions.

Click on the Right to Work Foundation link to the right of this page and find out how to help them. Smiley
  
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Re: The Problem of Left Curriculum in Public Schools
Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:49am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:29am:
They will create problems for the future of their community.


But that's the system you advocate?  That the forty-nine percent be forced at gunpoint to pay for the nonsense if the fifty-one percent agree to it?

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Would you rather have the federal government mandate that nonsense be taught everywhere?


No, Jeff. 

I'd rather than no government nowhere mandate nothing about how children are taught.
  

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