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Re: Voter Fraud - Is An 8 Year Sentence Too Harsh?
Reply #10 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 2:51pm
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Maybe she just wanted to make sure her community decided to feed and educate the poor children. 

She may not be a citizen, but she is certainly a part of the community and no doubt has seven or eight kids in the system who need an education.

  

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Reply #11 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:05pm
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I hate to be the "what about" person, but it's so silly that she might be facing 8 years while this guy is getting three.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/us/florida-police-chief-frame-black-people.ht...
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:11pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
She may not be a citizen, but she is certainly a part of the community and no doubt has seven or eight kids in the system who need an education.


The number of children she has is irrelevant.

In Texas, only citizens have the right to vote.

In California, non-citizens may only vote in local elections.

Jeff wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 10:17am:
You think people should be permitted to vote in more than one country? Why?

Yes, because many people have dual-citizenship. 

A person with dual-citizenship enjoys the right to vote is US general elections.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:54pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Maybe she just wanted to make sure her community decided to feed and educate the poor children. 
What makes it "her community" that she could presume to direct how tax revenue derived from the community should be spent?
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:56pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
A person with dual-citizenship enjoys the right to vote is US general elections.
Right.

That's not what we were talking about Chief.

We were talking about people voting in two countries when they are only a citizen of one.
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
What makes it "her community" that she could presume to direct how tax revenue derived from the community should be spent?


Not just her.  She and her fellow voters.

Isn't that the system you advocate?  That the community votes on whose money is taken for education and how it is spent?

If not, explain how you see the process working.

Please be specific.  Thanks.

  

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Reply #16 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:23pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
The number of children she has is irrelevant.

In Texas, only citizens have the right to vote.


You mean only citizens have the permission to vote.  If you believe that consent of the governed is required for government to be legitimate, then you have to believe that everyone who is governed has the right to vote.

  

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Reply #17 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:43pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
If you believe that consent of the governed is required for government to be legitimate, then you have to believe that everyone who is governed has the right to vote.

I actually don't believe that.  That's why I proposed a Voter Proficiency Exam.

Most people are either too stupid or too ignorant to vote.

The Voter Proficiency Exam would weed out the bad votes. Our elected officials and representatives would be of a much higher caliber than the ones we currently have.

With a Voter Proficiency Exam, we would never see the name Maxine Waters and the word Congress in the same sentence.   Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 9:18pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
I actually don't believe that.  That's why I proposed a Voter Proficiency Exam.

Most people are either too stupid or too ignorant to vote.

The Voter Proficiency Exam would weed out the bad votes. Our elected officials and representatives would be of a much higher caliber than the ones we currently have.

With a Voter Proficiency Exam, we would never see the name Maxine Waters and the word Congress in the same sentence.   Smiley


I see what you're saying and you're on the right track.  The problem is what I call "The Great American Work Around."  Americans work around any and all government efforts to thwart us as individuals.  It's what we're good at.  It's the only reason we have yet to revolt against our absurd government.

Take the right to vote away from people who can't pass a test and those welfare dolees who never cracked their algebra books, will suddenly bone up on civics if that's what it takes to keep voting in their welfare checks.  "Community organizers" will run the classes.  We'll still get Maxine Waters.

I've become convinced that the final solution to the Maxine Waterses of the nation is to deny absolutely the government's right to take our wealth by force.  In that case, I don't give a crap who the dumbasses in Inglewood want to send to Congress because whoever they send can't take my money and run my life.

Taxes are the root of statism.  They are the definition of socialism.  Taxes, not the individuals who occupy the positions in the tax-supported government, are the reason we lose our liberty.  Ending them is the only way to regain it.


  

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Re: Voter Fraud - Is An 8 Year Sentence Too Harsh?
Reply #19 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 10:31pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
If a Mexican citizen votes in a US election, he/she effectively can cancel my vote.


So can an American? By this logic I shouldn't be able to vote if I might vote against you.

SkyChief wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
I have a (15th Amendment) right to vote in a US general election - they don't.

It would be equally wrong if I were to vote in a Mexican election.

This is so glaringly simple, how can you not see it?


What I see is me applying your axioms and you not liking the result. It's like being taught math by a bunch of people who hate eleven. Math is great, math is wonderful, math is perfect, but yeah... six plus five... we don't talk about that one.

There is a deeper issue here about people flooding in and changing policy. This generally takes the form of socialists ruining their own countries, flooding into better countries, and voting for socialism.

This is obviously not fair. But I was under the impression that libertarians didn't care about fair; they only care about right.

I used to only care about fair. When I was a Statist I would have said close the borders, and limit voting privileges, to combat the unfairness. I would have talked about the idea that there are people who like to live under the policies we have now, and if you want those other policies, there are already places to get them.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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