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Reply #20 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:21am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Not just her.  She and her fellow voters.

Isn't that the system you advocate?  That the community votes on whose money is taken for education and how it is spent?

If not, explain how you see the process working.

Please be specific.  Thanks.

What makes her (an illegal alien) a part of the community? Please answer specifically. Thanks.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:29am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
You mean only citizens have the permission to vote.  If you believe that consent of the governed is required for government to be legitimate, then you have to believe that everyone who is governed has the right to vote.

That's not what I believe.

Everyone under the jurisdiction of the laws does not have a "right" to participate in choosing the representatives who make laws.

Please explain where you think the "right to vote" comes from.

Is it a natural right that's existence was discovered by natural rights philosophers like the right of self defense? Is it an inherent right that everyone is born with, such that humans in times before governments existed had a "right to vote"?

Please be specific. Thanks.
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:33am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
I see what you're saying and you're on the right track.  The problem is what I call "The Great American Work Around."  Americans work around any and all government efforts to thwart us as individuals.  It's what we're good at.  It's the only reason we have yet to revolt against our absurd government.

Take the right to vote away from people who can't pass a test and those welfare dolees who never cracked their algebra books, will suddenly bone up on civics if that's what it takes to keep voting in their welfare checks.  "Community organizers" will run the classes.  We'll still get Maxine Waters.

I've become convinced that the final solution to the Maxine Waterses of the nation is to deny absolutely the government's right to take our wealth by force.  In that case, I don't give a crap who the dumbasses in Inglewood want to send to Congress because whoever they send can't take my money and run my life.

Taxes are the root of statism.  They are the definition of socialism.  Taxes, not the individuals who occupy the positions in the tax-supported government, are the reason we lose our liberty.  Ending them is the only way to regain it.


It will take a Constitutional amendment to remove the power of Congress to levy taxes.

You do know that, right? That means you should join me in advocating for the states to call a convention.
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 3:12pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
I've become convinced that the final solution to the Maxine Waterses of the nation is to deny absolutely the government's right to take our wealth by force.  In that case, I don't give a crap who the dumbasses in Inglewood want to send to Congress because whoever they send can't take my money and run my life.

Taxes are the root of statism.  They are the definition of socialism.  Taxes, not the individuals who occupy the positions in the tax-supported government, are the reason we lose our liberty.  Ending them is the only way to regain it.


The cynic in me says that even if we took away that power, the government would just bully others to bully us into supporting the MIC "voluntarily."
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #24 - Dec 1st, 2018 at 5:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 1st, 2018 at 3:12pm:
The cynic in me says that even if we took away that power, the government would just bully others to bully us into supporting the MIC "voluntarily."

Can you name names? How are they accomplishing this bullying? I'm sure you agree it needs to be stopped, so if you know who's doing it, the law obligates you to turn them in. Smiley
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:53am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:21am:
What makes her (an illegal alien) a part of the community? Please answer specifically. Thanks.


You're the one who uses the word "community" as if it is a magic word that bestows to groups of individuals the right to forcibly take wealth from other individuals.

I have started to ask you for your definition of "community" a few times but then stopped typing since I know you fear questions worse than a social security recipient fears a job application.

If living in a neighborhood with a tax-funded school, being forced to pay those taxes and being forced to send your kids to that school doesn't make one a member of the community, what does?

Are you using the word "community" the way the identity politics lefties do? 


  

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Reply #26 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:55am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2018 at 8:33am:
It will take a Constitutional amendment to remove the power of Congress to levy taxes.

You do know that, right? That means you should join me in advocating for the states to call a convention.


Why?

Don't you claim that the current income taxes are already illegal under the current constitution? 

What makes you think that the thieves in DC would stop income taxes if you put in an amendment that says, "Hey, we really, really mean it!"

  

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Reply #27 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:55pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:53am:
You're the one who uses the word "community" as if it is a magic word that bestows to groups of individuals the right to forcibly take wealth from other individuals.


There are many different communities in America, and so far they are mostly free to form associations to accomplish purposes the community thinks are worthwhile to accomplish.
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:57pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:53am:
...living in a neighborhood with a tax-funded school, being forced to pay those taxes and being forced to send your kids to that school doesn't make one a member of the community...
No it doesn't.

I think you have no understanding of community at all.
  
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Reply #29 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:00pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:55am:
Why?


Because the power to tax is granted to Congress by the Constitution. It is a broad and inclusive power (to borrow SCOTUS words), but it is not without limits.

It is because it is such a broad and inclusive power, indeed the power to destroy, that it is so strictly limited by the Constitution.
  
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