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Things We Had The Freedom To Do Without Gov't Intrusion
Dec 3rd, 2018 at 1:36pm
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120 years ago, folks certainly had a lot more freedom than we have today.

When any gov't becomes too powerful, it will intrude into personal lives, and (try to) seize control of everything.

There's no stopping it.  Can you think of any freedoms which are not included in the list?

• Keep the fruits of or labor

• Start a business

• Own Property

• Build a home

• Collect rain water

• Go fishing

• Renovate a home

• Use a transportation vehicle

• Get married

• Hunt

• Own a firearm

• Cut hair

• Protest

• Sell lemonade from the front yard

• Grow food on property

• Trap lobsters

• Distill alcohol on private property
  
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Re: Things We Had The Freedom To Do Without Gov't Intrusion
Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 4:45pm
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I can't remember who said it, but it was in speaking of FDR's tame Supreme Court, that they transformed America from a sea of individual rights with a few small islands of government power to a few islands of individual rights in a sea of government power.

An easier way to say it is that the theory of general liberty for individuals gave way to the theory of general power for the governments.

The people never approved that.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 5:17pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 4:45pm:
...the theory of general liberty for individuals gave way to the theory of general power for the governments.

The people never approved that.

Well said.

Teddy Roosevelt was considered the "grandfather" of progressivism, but it was Woodrow Wilson who weaponized it and used it to hurt Americans.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 6:24pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 5:17pm:
Teddy Roosevelt was considered the "grandfather" of progressivism, but it was Woodrow Wilson who weaponized it and used it to hurt Americans.
Yes but it was FDR's Supreme Court that turned the Constitution upside down.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 9:55pm
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How would you solve the problem of lobsters?

The ocean is a common resource and subject to the tragedy of the commons.

I have yet to see a good, libertarian answer to the problem of population and fish.

I would be willing to say let everyone dig in and accept that they'll all be pushed to extinction, or the brink of.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 9:55pm:
I would be willing to say let everyone dig in and accept that they'll all be pushed to extinction, or the brink of.

Are you talking about Lobsters or humans?  Grin
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 7:48am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 9:55pm:
How would you solve the problem of lobsters?

The ocean is a common resource and subject to the tragedy of the commons.

I have yet to see a good, libertarian answer to the problem of population and fish.

Here's one-

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/for-sustainable-fisheries-priva...

Viewing the oceans as a commons is the problem, property rights are the solution.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 9:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 7:48am:
Here's one-

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/for-sustainable-fisheries-priva...

Viewing the oceans as a commons is the problem, property rights are the solution.


This is a plan to have governments regulate the world's declining fisheries.
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 7:41am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
This is a plan to have governments regulate the world's declining fisheries.
What it is is a step towards private property rights in fisheries, but yes, it will require the help of governments to protect and enforce those rights.

Here's another person's view of the issue-

https://reason.com/blog/2016/03/29/use-property-rights-to-save-fisheries-ar


  
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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:36am
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My list is complete?   Can no one think of any more American liberties that have been stripped by gov't?

In California, as of 2014, we can no longer wash sidewalks or driveways with a garden hose.  If someone is caught doing this, there is a hefty fine  - $500 for the first offense.

Residents are encouraged to rat out their neighbors if they catch them doing this.
  
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