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Re: Trump: Fund The Wall Or I Will Shut Gov't Down
Reply #90 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:16am:
I paraphrased.

Hmm...

What did she actually say?
  
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Reply #91 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:46pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
I came up with an idea that would end the government shutdown AND provide ample funding to build 654 miles of physical barrier(s) on the southern border.

The best part is that it wouldn't require any approval from obstructionist democrats.

$686 Billion has already been granted (fiscal year 2019) to the DoD.

The DoD could easily manage with $666 Billion.    

Siphon off $20 Billion to build new barriers and upgrade existing (sub-standard or dilapidated) barriers.


Well, again I called it. 

Clearly Congress is not going to authorize any funding for completing the border Wall.

Today the WSJ reported that White House Aides have begun exploring alternative methods of funding the Wall, including tapping into funding from the DoD.  Perhaps one of them read my post from two weeks ago!   Smiley

"Another option being explored by the White House is having the Department of Homeland Security request the funds from the Pentagon so that it can carry out its mission."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-looking-into-diverting-army-corps-funds...
  
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Reply #92 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:58pm
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I thought the Pentagon was subsidiary to DHS until I looked at this chart-

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1204_DHS_Organizational_...

It shows that the Executive Secretary and the Military Advisor are in charge of all of it...

And I guess they work directly for the President???

The Pentagon is therefore independent of Homeland Security, or separate from it???

But of course in times of perpetual War, the President controls the Pentagon too...

Edit: The Deep State must feel helpless in the face of all that military and para-military force.

Edit 2: I'm in the manic state of my paranoia right now, I sort of enjoy it!
  
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Reply #93 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:46pm:
Well, again I called it. 

Clearly Congress is not going to authorize any funding for completing the border Wall.

Today the WSJ reported that White House Aides have begun exploring alternative methods of funding the Wall, including tapping into funding from the DoD.  Perhaps one of them read my post from two weeks ago!   Smiley

"Another option being explored by the White House is having the Department of Homeland Security request the funds from the Pentagon so that it can carry out its mission."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-looking-into-diverting-army-corps-funds...


Again, while the DOD funding idea is good, it's been around awhile.  I am not saying you didn't think of it, but I am saying you didn't think of it first.

An article from April, 2018.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/can-the-us-military-build-t...
  

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Reply #94 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:16am:
I paraphrased.  She told stories about her personal connections with illegal immigrants, and the importance of the menial tasks they perform.  She said the California economy would suffer greatly if it weren't for illegals.

She DID say  "The president is an embarrassment!"

Which of course is like a lemon calling a banana yellow!   Grin


CNN should attack her name for being species appropriation and demand she change it
  

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Reply #95 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:21pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
Again, while the DOD funding idea is good, it's been around awhile.  I am not saying you didn't think of it, but I am saying you didn't think of it first


If that's true, then why is the White House reporting that today?  Why didn't Trump ever hint that siphoning DoD funding was an option? 

Up until today, all Trump has done is threaten to declare a "national emergency" in order to sidestep the obstructionist Congress.
  
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Reply #96 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:24pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
If that's true, then why is the White House reporting that today?  Why didn't Trump ever hint that it was being considered? 

Up until today, all Trump has done is threaten to declare a "national emergency" in order to sidestep the obstructionist Congress.


If it's not true, then why was I able to put a link in that quote on the military funding the wall from last April?

And you moved the goal posts.  I said funding the wall with DOD money wasn't thought of by you first.  Your question doesn't contradict that it was already an idea before you thought of it
  

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Reply #97 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:27pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:24pm:
If it's not true, then why was I able to put a link in that quote on the military funding the wall from last April?

touché.    Smiley
  
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Reply #98 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:32pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
touché.    Smiley


LOL.  Like I said though, I'm completely on board.  I think Trump should build the wall with military money.  He should built the biggest, most beautiful wall he can imagine since the Dems are making him do what they did to get Obamacare through.  Whatever it takes ...
  

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Re: Trump: Fund The Wall Or I Will Shut Gov't Down
Reply #99 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
Again, while the DOD funding idea is good, it's been around awhile.  I am not saying you didn't think of it, but I am saying you didn't think of it first.

It's not important who thought of the idea, but it is important to question the President's authority to divert funds appropriated for the military to anything the President says is related to "National Defense".

I'm fairly certain that  a President Algore would say that fighting the 'War on Global Climate Change' is a "National Defense" issue...

Would that authorize him to shift funds appropriated for the military to the creation of an artificial "green" system of power generation?
  
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