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Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Dec 20th, 2018 at 8:52pm
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Nationalism is quickly gaining popularity.

The media, leftist political elites, and the globalists wag their fingers and denounce Nationalism.

Here's why:



The first true nationalist was Henry the VIIIth, who proclaimed that England would no longer obey dictates from Rome.

250 years later, American nationalists proclaimed that the colonies would no longer obey dictates from England.

The principle of national independence served as the foundation for a better, freer world.
  
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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 9:49pm
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The video paints nationalism as having nothing to do with racism.

Then it boldly uses this infographic to show how Human loyalty is directly proportional to something that boils down to our genetic interest.



Nationalism is tribalism. It's pure selfishness and it's wrong.

Everyone draws these sorts of circles. The most selfish person draws the circle to encompass only himself. "Only I have rights. Only I deserve respect." he boldly declares.

Some others, still selfish (because their interest is still in their genes) draw a circle around their family and their race. "I will protect whoever is closest to me first." he declares. His selfishness is insidious, for it is disguised as righteousness.

To actually be Human, you must draw that circle to include every Human.

Borders are force.

Borders are force that, as PragerU points out, preserves a way of life. In the case of America this way of life includes greedy, worthless workers demanding minimum wage hike after minimum wage hike, and then of course demanding to be protected from competition, because they can't compete.

If the free market is to triumph, the American way of life needs to die, along with every American citizen. Let the workers who can work have the jobs, and let the fat, lazy, stupid Americans starve. Their only marketable skill is voting for minimum wage hikes.

And yes, even the Federation would eat itself in the absence of competing ways of life. That's not the point.

I'm not saying nationalism won't keep us alive. It will.

I'm saying we need to die.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 7:40am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
To actually be Human, you must draw that circle to include every Human.

Borders are force.

Right. And enforcing national borders can protect large numbers of humans from all sorts of bad things.

If you truly care about all other humans as humans, you should be willing to take steps that protect as many as possible from tyranny and anarchy and crime.

In every iteration of the known historical human world, national borders, when they could be guarded and enforced, have been useful in protecting civilizations from barbarians.

Nationalism can be a step up from tribalism when it enlarges the circle to include more people as humans. The idea of America, which, despite it's sometime failures and reversions to tribalism, holds out the promise that if you are an American, the lesser tribalisms that might contain you are overshadowed by you being an American. America is a good example of an inclusive form of nationalism.

Nationalism can also be a reversion to more limited tribalism, as it was in National Socialist Germany when an attempt was made to make a nation tribally exclusive rather than inclusive.

As I see it, nationalism can go either way, but I'm happy to be an American and happy to welcome people from any tribe to become Americans.
  
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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 11:43am
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Disclaimer:  I did not watch your video. 

I will say that the kind of "Rah-rah" nationalism that we hear so much of these days is almost as harmful as the "Our side rules, your side drools" mentality that infects followers of the Twoparties.

The largest group I'm really concerned about is my extended family.  After that I care about people in general.  My city, county, state, nation and world, I judge primarily by how they affect my family and secondarily by how they affect all other human beings. 

  

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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #4 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
The video paints nationalism as having nothing to do with racism.
Correct.

The Opposition wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
Nationalism is tribalism. It's pure selfishness and it's wrong.

Not really.

Nationalism is a patriotic feeling, principles, expressed pride in one's own country.

One does not need to be racist to be nationalist.  The terms are not synonymous.

The Opposition wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
I'm saying we need to die.

We WILL, eventually.    No need to hasten it!   Smiley

Little Big Man wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 11:43am:
The largest group I'm really concerned about is my extended family.  After that I care about people in general.  My city, county, state, nation and world, I judge primarily by how they affect my family and secondarily by how they affect all other human beings. 

Great. That's basically the message of the video!   Smiley
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 3:57pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 11:43am:
I will say that the kind of "Rah-rah" nationalism that we hear so much of these days...
Is my saying that I'm happy to be an American included as "Rah-rah" nationalism?
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 3:59pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 11:43am:
The largest group I'm really concerned about is my extended family.
Are they conspiring to provide your Mom with a gun and shooting lessons? Grin
  
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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #7 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 4:02pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm:
Great. That's basically the message of the video!   Smiley


Then, don't I feel the perfect ass for not watching it?

Speaking of feeling the perfect ass, School's out for winter break and Mrs. Sack is waking from her nap so I'll have to put off the video watching for a while . . .
  

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Re: Why You Should Be A Nationalist
Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 4:09pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 4:02pm:
Then, don't I feel the perfect ass for not watching it?

Speaking of feeling the perfect ass, School's out for winter break and Mrs. Sack is waking from her nap so I'll have to put off the video watching for a while . . .
It looks to me as if you are a perfect ass, which is probably why being an ass seems normal to you. Grin

Edit: The term "ass" is gender neutral, and I feel like a woman again, so don't try to bust my ass for bias white boy. Kiss
  
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