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Reply #30 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 3:57pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 29th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
I don't give a whit about UN authorization for the U.S. sending troops anywhere. All I care about is things like "were our two wars against Iraq Constitutional?"

The US was never at war with Iraq.  There are provisions in the War Powers Act, which stipulate the following two conditions:

1) the President, upon sending troops into military action, must notify Congress within 48 hours that he has done so.

2)  it forbids military personnel from remaining in a state of conflict for more than 60 days (including an additional 30 days for withdrawal). After that, the President must seek an additional authorization from Congress or a formal declaration of war.

Were these conditions met with the Iraq War?  Nope.
  
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Reply #31 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 29th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
The US was never at war with Iraq.  There are provisions in the War Powers Act, which stipulate the following two conditions:

1) the President, upon sending troops into military action, must notify Congress within 48 hours that he has done so.

2)  it forbids military personnel from remaining in a state of conflict for more than 60 days (including an additional 30 days for withdrawal). After that, the President must seek an additional authorization from Congress or a formal declaration of war.

Were these conditions met with the Iraq War?  Nope.
What makes it Constitutional for Congress to "authorize" war-like action by the President without actually declaring war? That's my question.

I can't find any power for Congress to 'authorize' the President to wage war-in-fact outside of a Congressional declaration of war...

What did SCOTUS have to say about it? That it seems necessary and therefore is proper? Cheesy
  
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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #32 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 1:59pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Trump Withdraws U.S. Forces From Syria, Declaring

‘We Have Won Against ISIS....our boys, our young women, our men — they’re all coming back, and they’re coming back now!”

Warhawks like Lindsey Graham and Nancy Pelosi voiced harsh criticism of the Commander-In-Chief, stating that the president had acted out of “personal or political objectives”.

Marco Rubio told ABC News:

"This is a colossal, in my mind, mistake. A grave error. This is going to have significant repercussions in the years and months to come."

I salute the president for making good on his campaign promise to end US troop presence in Syria - he now needs continue on this course and pull the rest of US forces out of the other M.E. countries;

Egypt, Afghanistan, Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, and Bahrain.


It was too bad Trump backed down from doing it
  

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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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BREAKING NEWS

Earlier today, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad had issued a statement that the U.S. military had "begun the process" of a deliberate withdrawal from Syria.

“CJTF-OIR has begun the process of our deliberate withdrawal from Syria,  Out of concern for operational security, we will not discuss specific timelines, locations or troops movements.” said Col. Sean Ryan, spokesman for the anti-ISIS coalition.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/us-military-begins-withdraw...
  
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Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:30pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
BREAKING NEWS

Earlier today, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad had issued a statement that the U.S. military had "begun the process" of a deliberate withdrawal from Syria.

“CJTF-OIR has begun the process of our deliberate withdrawal from Syria,  Out of concern for operational security, we will not discuss specific timelines, locations or troops movements.” said Col. Sean Ryan, spokesman for the anti-ISIS coalition.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/us-military-begins-withdraw...
The process involves getting permission doesn't it? Meaning they've started filling out the necessary paperwork to ask permission to actually leave?

If I understand it, Presidents can send troops anywhere on their own authority and keep them wherever indefinitely, but they can't bring them home without a court order? Or is it permission from Congress that's required to bring troops home?
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:30pm:
The process involves getting permission doesn't it? Meaning they've started filling out the necessary paperwork to ask permission to actually leave?

If I understand it, Presidents can send troops anywhere on their own authority and keep them wherever indefinitely, but they can't bring them home without a court order? Or is it permission from Congress that's required to bring troops home?

Sort of.

The War Powers Act of 1973 allows a president to commit US military to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress, provided that these 2 conditions are met;

1) the President, upon sending troops into military action, must notify Congress within 48 hours that he has done so.

2)  it forbids military personnel from remaining in a state of conflict for more than 60 days (including an additional 30 days for withdrawal). After that, the President must seek an additional authorization from Congress or a formal declaration of war.

Once Congress has approved the conflict, the war can last years or even decades.

Of course, the Commander-In-Chief may move troops around at his discretion, without consulting the Congress.

"We've beaten [ISIS] and we've beaten them badly. We've taken back the land and now it's time for our troops to come back home." Trump said last month.

But this is very misleading.  In the case of Syria, US troops are simply being moved around - they will not be coming home as Trump promised.

I think the bulk of them will be re-deployed in Iraq, but who knows??
  
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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #36 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 9:12am
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Of course, the Commander-In-Chief may move troops around at his discretion, without consulting the Congress.


So Trump is a puppet of who, that he won't do what he said?

And what could that "military spokesman" in Baghdad have been talking about, saying the process for withdrawal has begun?

It's all just political theater isn't it?
  
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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #37 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 9:12am:
And what could that "military spokesman" in Baghdad have been talking about, saying the process for withdrawal has begun?

It's all just political theater isn't it?

I don't question that the withdrawal from Syria has begun.  But Trump said:

"...We've taken back the land, and now it's time for our troops to come back home."

And it certainly IS time for our troops to come back home. 

Note that he never said they WOULD be coming home.

Very clever, don't you think?   Smiley
  
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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #38 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:37pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:19pm:
I don't question that the withdrawal from Syria has begun.  But Trump said:

"...We've taken back the land, and now it's time for our troops to come back home."

And it certainly IS time for our troops to come back home. 

Note that he never said they WOULD be coming home.

Very clever, don't you think?   Smiley
A Trumpism, yes.
  
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Re: Prez Trump Withdraws All US Troops From Syria
Reply #39 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 4:20pm
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Today, a bombing in the northern Syrian town of Manbij claimed at least four Americans.

2 US servicemen,  1 Defense contractor, and 1 civilian.

The Pentagon has released a statement saying  the withdrawal process is now underway.

“Our deepest sympathies and love go out to the families of the brave American heroes who were killed today in Syria... Our service members and their families have all sacrificed so much for our country.”
- Sarah H. Sanders/WH Press Sect'y

We need to get those U.S. troops out of Syria NOW!!!   
  
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