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Reply #40 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:21pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
He is the one who led me to believe he believes in the NAP.

If it's so obviously stupid, he can concede that he doesn't believe in the NAP, so I don't get accused of putting words in peoples' mouths.


He's basically calling me stupid, for questioning the NAP. Now I'm stupid for claiming he believes in the NAP?

You two need to work that out.


I have worked it out with Jeff.  I mostly ignore him.

So seriously, your defense is you were only believing Jeff?  That's why you're not stupid?

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Yeah, let's go with that.  Intelligent people believe Jeff
  

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Reply #41 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:24pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:21pm:
So seriously, your defense is you were only believing Jeff?


About what he says he believes?

He believes a bunch of contradictions but I have no grounds to say, "No you don't" when someone says, "I believe X" - not without a mind-meld anyway, and when it comes to Jeff, I... think not.
  

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Reply #42 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:24pm:
About what he says he believes?

He believes a bunch of contradictions but I have no grounds to say, "No you don't" when someone says, "I believe X" - not without a mind-meld anyway, and when it comes to Jeff, I... think not.


Half the time Jeff is lying, half the time he doesn't know what he's talking about and the other half he didn't read your post at all.  Why would you ever believe anything Jeff says?  That's just crappity smacked up
  

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Reply #43 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:50pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:24pm:
He believes a bunch of contradictions...
The NAP says it's wrong to initiate aggression. That's simple. No contradictions are involved.
  
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Reply #44 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Half the time Jeff is lying...
Please point out anything I say that you think is a lie. Thanks.
  
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Reply #45 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:53pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Half the time Jeff is lying, half the time he doesn't know what he's talking about and the other half he didn't read your post at all.  Why would you ever believe anything Jeff says?  That's just crappity smacked up


Because I have no grounds to dispute what someone says they believe.

If someone says, "The sky is not blue," then I can dispute that.

If someone says, "I believe the sky is not blue," then I cannot.

Where would I possibly get the proof, or any evidence at all, other than a Romulan mind-scanner?
  

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Reply #46 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:02pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Because I have no grounds to dispute what someone says they believe.

If someone says, "The sky is not blue," then I can dispute that.

If someone says, "I believe the sky is not blue," then I cannot.

Where would I possibly get the proof, or any evidence at all, other than a Romulan mind-scanner?


Of course you have grounds to not believe what Jeff says.  He says he believes in NAP, then constantly contradicts that by supporting for example the North using force to compel the South to stay in the union.  You can't believe both.

It's easy to say you believe in a concept.  It only has meaning if your words back them up.  And the only thing Jeff says consistently is contradicting what he claims to believe
  

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Reply #47 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:14pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:02pm:
Of course you have grounds to not believe what Jeff says.  He says he believes in NAP, then constantly contradicts that by supporting for example the North using force to compel the South to stay in the union.  You can't believe both.


You're correct; I can't believe both, because I am logical.

If Jeff says he believes X and Y, and they're contradictions, it just means he's not logical. He also could be lying, but there's no possible proof he doesn't just believe contradictions.

Evidence is he believes a bunch of contradictions, and I can call them so, but I cannot prove he doesn't believe them.

My personal take on it is that he self-deceives.

A lot.
  

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Reply #48 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:30pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
You're correct; I can't believe both, because I am logical.

If Jeff says he believes X and Y, and they're contradictions, it just means he's not logical. He also could be lying, but there's no possible proof he doesn't just believe contradictions.

Evidence is he believes a bunch of contradictions, and I can call them so, but I cannot prove he doesn't believe them.

My personal take on it is that he self-deceives.

A lot.


Yet you chose to use Jeff as an example of someone on the site who supports NAP, which you are admitting you know isn't true
  

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Reply #49 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:33pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Because I have no grounds to dispute what someone says they believe.

If someone says, "The sky is not blue," then I can dispute that.

If someone says, "I believe the sky is not blue," then I cannot.

Where would I possibly get the proof, or any evidence at all, other than a Romulan mind-scanner?
And in fact, the sky is not always blue...
  
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