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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #410 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:12pm
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kaz wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Trollin, trollin trollin ... trollin trollin trollin ... along ...
Thanks kaz, I appreciate every time you don't answer a question on this thread. Smiley

I think you agree that Sacky has no right to ask questions of you on this thread!
  
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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #411 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:54am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 6:29pm:
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Under our existing constitution, do the people have the right to empower state and local governments to redistribute wealth?


Jeff wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 7:29pm:
No. Re-distribution of wealth is a violation of rights.


What rights?  Can you name them?  Are they absolute?

Well, never mind.  I forgot that you simply rename redistribution of wealth that you approve of as something other than redistribution of wealth.


  

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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #412 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:57am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Little Big Man wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 6:29pm:



What rights?  Can you name them?  Are they absolute?

Well, never mind.  I forgot that you simply rename redistribution of wealth that you approve of as something other than redistribution of wealth.




littlebigman:  duh, dar, I don't understand the difference between government military or law enforcement and government taking money out of the pocket of one man and putting it into the pocket of another, drool, hic, barf.

This isn't even you not understanding a concept, it's your not being able to learn language, terms and meanings.

I'm sold, I'm sold.  You WERE a government teacher.  I totally believe you.  You can stop proving it now
  

Contest winner:  I predicted Kaz' meltdown
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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #413 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:34pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:54am:
What rights?  Can you name them?  Are they absolute?


I can name an absolute right.

The right of Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube to take conservative opinions off their platforms.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #414 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:54am:



What rights?  Can you name them?  Are they absolute?

Well, never mind.  I forgot that you simply rename redistribution of wealth that you approve of as something other than redistribution of wealth.


The right to property includes the right to not have your money taken by government and given to an individual or group of individuals for their use.

To be absolutely consistent, I would have to say that a community that has decided to tax property in order to provide a basic education to every child in the community is taking some of the wealth of every property owner in the community in order to turn it into educational opportunities for children in the community, and that some people think that's theft...

If it was money being taken from property owners and given to the children directly, that would be wealth redistribution...
  
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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #415 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:13pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
I can name an absolute right.

The right of Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube to take conservative opinions off their platforms.
Yeah! Screw a bunch of conservatives! I don't let them express their opinions in my home either! I also restrict the speech of "progressives"/socialists when they are here.

I only allow classical liberal (and some libertarian) opinions to be expressed on my property. Smiley
  
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Reply #416 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:52pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
Yeah! Screw a bunch of conservatives! I don't let them express their opinions in my home either! I also restrict the speech of "progressives"/socialists when they are here.

I only allow classical liberal (and some libertarian) opinions to be expressed on my property. Smiley


Yep, and that's an absolute right, now isn't it?

Jeff: I want practical liberty, so give up your ideal freedom and your absolute rights if it benefits me.
Jeff wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
The Opposition wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
You want actual freedom, that brings you an actual benefit. You don't care about pie in the sky freedom that is the objectively best policy from a "never violate rights ever" point of view because the world will turn shitty, and you want a world you can enjoy living in and enjoy exercising your freedom.


That's pretty much it.


Jeff: I want absolute rights, so give up your practical freedom if it benefits me.

Libertarians want it all. That means the rules will always be absolute when it benefits the libertarian, and grey when it would benefit anyone else for the rule to be absolute.
  

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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #417 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:31pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
Yep, and that's an absolute right, now isn't it?

I can even exclude you from my property entirely! How swell is that! I think that would be of great benefit to me...

Of course I can't kidnap someone and then exclude the police from coming on my property to rescue them, but they will need a warrant! Smiley
  
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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #418 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 4:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
The right to property includes the right to not have your money taken by government and given to an individual or group of individuals for their use.


Yes!

I'm proud of you, Jeff, for coming to that conclusion!

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To be absolutely consistent, I would have to say that a community that has decided to tax property in order to provide a basic education to every child in the community is taking some of the wealth of every property owner in the community in order to turn it into educational opportunities for children in the community, and that some people think that's theft...


It's more extortion that theft, since the definition of extortion is: 

ex·tor·tion
/ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: extortion; plural noun: extortions

    the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.


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If it was money being taken from property owners and given to the children directly, that would be wealth redistribution...


Only money?  Can anything else be wealth?

What if they extorted the money and then bought Disney tickets for the kids?  Pretty much everyone can see the unfairness of rich kids getting to go to Disneyland but not poor kids.  Would that be wealth transfer?

What about:

EBT cards?

"Free" cell phones?

"Free" day care?

What if the "free" day care included some pre-school type education?

"Free" college?


  

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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #419 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 4:58pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Only money?  Can anything else be wealth?
Really, you don't know even that?
  
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