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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #510 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 3:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
If SCOTUS would ever look at it dispassionately and from a non-political viewpoint, they would declare that government unions are unconstitutional, which would end the political power of "teachers", because it's not actually the teachers who have political power, it's the teachers unions.


I didn’t know that!

Which clause in the constitution forbids teachers or any other government workers from forming unions?

  

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Reply #511 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 4:03pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 3:42pm:
I didn’t know that!

Which clause in the constitution forbids teachers or any other government workers from forming unions?

I love repeating things like this to you Sack! Kiss

Forming any sort of association is a right of free people. Freedom of association is guaranteed by the Constitution.

It becomes a problem when the government enacts laws like the NLRA and the RLA that give unions special powers and special privileges. The problems that creates are greatly amplified when unions of government employees are given those special powers and privileges.

The essential and largest problem with government unions is, the people they negotiate contracts with are not the people who have to pay.
  

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Reply #512 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 5:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 4:03pm:
I love repeating things like this to you Sack! Kiss

Forming any sort of association is a right of free people. Freedom of association is guaranteed by the Constitution.

It becomes a problem when the government enacts laws like the NLRA and the RLA that give unions special powers and special privileges. The problems that creates are greatly amplified when unions of government employees are given those special powers and privileges.

The essential and largest problem with government unions is, the people they negotiate contracts with are not the people who have to pay.


This is actually a good argument, Jeff.  Well done.  No sarcasm.  I don't see this often from you.  OK, that part was sarcasm ...

To close the loop on your argument, you want to site the 10th amendment.  There is no authority for the Federal government to empower unions.  To your point, there is no power either to ban voluntary unions.  But giving unions special powers is a no-no, by the 10th amendment.  And it is buttressed by the 9th, which says the Federal government exercising power it doesn't have is as important as the government restricting for example free speech, trial by jury or the right to bear arms
  

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Reply #513 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:56pm
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kaz wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 5:39pm:
This is actually a good argument, Jeff.  Well done.  No sarcasm.  I don't see this often from you.  OK, that part was sarcasm ...

To close the loop on your argument, you want to cite the 10th amendment.  There is no authority for the Federal government to empower unions.  To your point, there is no power either to ban voluntary unions.  But giving unions special powers is a no-no, by the 10th amendment.  And it is buttressed by the 9th, which says the Federal government exercising power it doesn't have is as important as the government restricting for example free speech, trial by jury or the right to bear arms
Well thanks. You closed the loop very well.
  

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Reply #514 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
Well thanks. You closed the loop very well.


When you two are done licking each other's balls, maybe Jeff can admit to Little Big Man that he was wrong when he said that government employee unions are unconstitutional.


  
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Reply #515 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 8:22pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
When you two are done licking each other's balls, maybe Jeff can admit to Little Big Man that he was wrong when he said that government employee unions are unconstitutional.






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Re: The Thread for Jeff to Answer Questions
Reply #516 - Apr 17th, 2019 at 7:28am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
When you two are done licking each other's balls, maybe Jeff can admit to Little Big Man that he was wrong when he said that government employee unions are unconstitutional.


Granting special power and privileges to any private organization is unconstitutional Sacky, it's just the government employee unions that have the worst results in practice.
  

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Reply #517 - Jun 1st, 2019 at 12:47pm
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Nobody has mentioned government employee unions and their pernicious influence lately...

Here's an example:

https://reason.com/2019/05/31/texas-police-union-kills-effort-to-close-states-de...
  

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