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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #20 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
Is this one of those times you mentioned where your brilliant reply stops the conversation?


Appears no. 

But it disappointed our overgrown middle school who thought he would get under my skin.


  

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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #21 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:18pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
The question is about illegal immigration not immigration generally, Cato and Reason clearly come to the subject expecting to find that its good for the economy.
Sorry, no. Unlike what you're used to, Cato and Reason scholars are real scholars, not cheating ideologues.

The cost of illegal immigration to our government, so far as good studies can tell, is near zero.

Economists in general agree that immigration overall is a plus for our economy.

Who do you get your information from?

Edit: cis.org compiled a lot of data for that study you linked to, but I didn't see where they concluded that illegal immigrants are a net cost the government or the nation.

As a matter of fact, the conclusion you say they reached is the same as what Cato and Reason scholars concluded.
  
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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #22 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:26pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
Agreed, but here's what's wrong with your argument.  All the positives could be solved with legal immigration.

The choice isn't between illegal and no immigration, it's between illegal and legal.  We could let in a lot more legal if we weren't letting in so many illegals
Wow! The problem is, current immigration law doesn't allow many people to legally immigrate.
  
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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:28pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
The fact that illegal aliens work cheaper and make inexpensive goods and services available would not be solved by legal immigration.  Not assuming that the legal immigrants would abide by our minimum wage laws.



If illegal immigrants start businesses, it would be illegal for them to not pay minimum wages where there are minimum wage laws. That would be illegal of them!

Sorry, you said legal immigrants. No matter, if people, citizens or not, are willing to work for less than minimum wage, some people will hire them and pay cash etc. There are lots of citizens without saleable skills that aren't worth current minimum wages, and minimum wage laws condemn them to not getting jobs where they could learn marketable skills.
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Now, if you were to argue that we could pull troops out of the Middle East, Europe, Asia and Africa to use them on the border, that would be a net savings.


A militarized border wall? Why does that remind me of East Berlin under the Soviets or the DMZ along the North Korean border...

  
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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:35pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
Appears no. 

But it disappointed our overgrown middle school who thought he would get under my skin.


You have a child in Jr. High School?
  
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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #26 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:11am
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Jeff wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Sorry, no. Unlike what you're used to, Cato and Reason scholars are real scholars, not cheating ideologues.

The cost of illegal immigration to our government, so far as good studies can tell, is near zero.

Economists in general agree that immigration overall is a plus for our economy.

Who do you get your information from?

Edit: cis.org compiled a lot of data for that study you linked to, but I didn't see where they concluded that illegal immigrants are a net cost the government or the nation.

As a matter of fact, the conclusion you say they reached is the same as what Cato and Reason scholars concluded.

Blah Blah Blah, I never said they were cheating idealogues, they are however idealogues, its pretty much in their mission statements. 

https://www.cato.org/about

https://reason.org/about-reason-foundation/

I generally agree with their ideology, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to pretend that won't effect there research. 

I try to get my information from a broad range of sources, even some I disagree with.   I'd rather have my ideas challenged than echoed.  But you do you.
  
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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #27 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:28am
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Jeff wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Your key words were "I don't know".

That makes your opinion uninformed and not very valuable.

You have no idea about the negative impact of Illegal Immigration.

Our (Californians) lives are impacted every day by illegal immigration. My auto insurance premiums are artificially high because my car and motorcycle were hit by illegals with no insurance.

We have illegal immigrant tenants in our rental property that haven't paid rent since October.  It will cost me thousands of dollars to get them evicted.

So regarding the impacts of illegal immigration, my opinion actually trumps yours.
  
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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #28 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:37am
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Snarky Sack wrote yesterday at 6:08pm:
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Now, if you were to argue that we could pull troops out of the Middle East, Europe, Asia and Africa to use them on the border, that would be a net savings.


Jeff wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
A militarized border wall? Why does that remind me of East Berlin under the Soviets or the DMZ along the North Korean border...



Because you don't understand the difference between barriers intended to keep people in and barriers intended to keep people out?

  

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Re: Does Illegal Immigration Help or Hurt the Economy?
Reply #29 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:11am:
Blah Blah Blah, I never said they were cheating idealogues, they are however idealogues, its pretty much in their mission statements. 

https://www.cato.org/about

https://reason.org/about-reason-foundation/

Sure they have underlying ideas, why else would they want to find out the truth?

Try to connect the idea of individual liberty to the desire to discover the truth about political economic reality, using scholarly scientific methods...

What a great idea!
  
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