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Reply #210 - May 14th, 2019 at 12:35pm
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Jeff wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Unfortunately, just like "impeachment", the Green New Deal is being used as campaign window dressing.
If true, then this is huge miscalculation by the dems.
Dems must persuade independents to vote against Trump in the 2020 election.

Many Independents are terrified with the New Green Deal.   Many laugh at it - laugh so hard they cry.

US taxpayers get stuck with the bill: $93 Trillion (over 10 years).  Who wants that? 

The New Green Deal will outlaw all petroleum-based fuel modes of transportation;

cars
trucks
diesel locomotives
all aircraft
boats/ships  (small boats with DC trolling motors will be allowed)

Trump sarcastically joked about the absurdity of the Green New Deal:

“I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called ‘Carbon Footprint’ to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military – even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!”
  
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Reply #211 - May 14th, 2019 at 2:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
If true, then this is huge miscalculation by the dems.
Dems must persuade independents to vote against Trump in the 2020 election.

Many Independents are terrified with the New Green Deal.   Many laugh at it - laugh so hard they cry.

US taxpayers get stuck with the bill: $93 Trillion (over 10 years).  Who wants that? 

The New Green Deal will outlaw all petroleum-based fuel modes of transportation;

cars
trucks
diesel locomotives
all aircraft
boats/ships  (small boats with DC trolling motors will be allowed)

Trump sarcastically joked about the absurdity of the Green New Deal:

“I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called ‘Carbon Footprint’ to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military – even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!”
It sets the stage for a Democratic candidate who is more "moderate", like Bernie, or does he like the Green New Deal too?
  

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Reply #212 - May 14th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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Jeff wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 2:06pm:
It sets the stage for a Democratic candidate who is more "moderate", like Bernie, or does he like the Green New Deal too?
Even Bernie is too socialist for most independents.   Independent voters are frightened by terms such as;

Free College.

Free Health Care.

Free housing.

They know damn well who will be paying for all that "free" stuff.

"There's no such thing as 'government funded'.  Government Funded is a term made up by the left to justify government forcibly taking money from taxpayers." - Sky Chief

The best hope for democrats is Creepy Uncle Joe Biden.   Sure, he's got baggage, but then so did Hillary.   Grin
  
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Reply #213 - May 14th, 2019 at 3:54pm
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The media is unwittingly helping Trump of late.  Giving all the most lefty Dems air will only serve to push voters towards trump.  The like more radical policies of Warren, Sanders, AOC, et al are not even popular among Dems.
  
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Reply #214 - May 14th, 2019 at 4:13pm
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ahhell wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
The media is unwittingly helping Trump of late.  Giving all the most lefty Dems air will only serve to push voters towards trump.  The like more radical policies of Warren, Sanders, AOC, et al are not even popular among Dems. 

This is why the dems will lose in 2020.  They are pushing for radicalizing the left, but are frightening away the largest voting bloc - Independents.

Independents will vote for Trump - not because they like him - but because they so fear the radicalized democrats who are hell-bent on destroying the middle-class.
  
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Reply #215 - May 16th, 2019 at 10:22am
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ahhell wrote on Apr 23rd, 2019 at 4:48pm:
Much like the GOP and Trump they will stop long before the reeducation camps and thus the breathless comparison to dictators only serves the other side.  Folks will here that, look at her and what she's actually proposing and roll their eyes.  This is how the Dems are ensuring Trump gets 4 more years.  You and the GOP adopt that tactic, you'll just get more and more extreme lefties elected.   The slippery slope not withstanding.   


Democrats are already there, there's no "slippery slope."  They watch leftists physically assault non-believers and say nothing and don't care at all.  Yet they won't reeducate us?  Despite what they are doing in government schools and universities?

You don't need to open your mind, just your eyes
  

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Reply #216 - May 16th, 2019 at 10:25am
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 4:13pm:
This is why the dems will lose in 2020.  They are pushing for radicalizing the left, but are frightening away the largest voting bloc - Independents.

Independents will vote for Trump - not because they like him - but because they so fear the radicalized democrats who are hell-bent on destroying the middle-class.


True, but Democrats will ultimately prevail and achieve full socialism and destroy us.  They have always been willing to state an extreme view and stick with it through election losses until they finally get what they want.  We are doomed.  I just hope to put off our becoming Venezuela until after my death.  My kids won't be able to do that.  Their victory will be sometime in that range
  

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Reply #217 - May 16th, 2019 at 11:04am
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kaz wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 10:25am:
We are doomed.  I just hope to put off our becoming Venezuela until after my death. 

It will get worse before it gets better.   There will be many more ¡Ocasio!s  elected as lawmakers.

I'm leaving my grandkids a treasure map where a handsome cache of gold and silver is located...

And a metal detector  (I purposely made the map a little imprecise).

At least they wont be eating their pets when the US goes to full-blown socialism.
  
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Reply #218 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 8:12am
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kaz wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 10:25am:
True, but Democrats will ultimately prevail...
Give up your foolish belief in Historical Determinism.
  

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Reply #219 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 8:13am
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Another rational argument against Ocasio's radical scare tactics...

https://reason.com/2019/06/05/were-all-gonna-die-climate-change-apocalypse-by-20...
  

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