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Reply #220 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 10:59am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 6th, 2019 at 8:13am:
Another rational argument against Ocasio's radical scare tactics...

https://reason.com/2019/06/05/were-all-gonna-die-climate-change-apocalypse-by-20...


"This hothouse earth scenario would be a high likelihood of human civilization coming to an end by 2050."

It's unimaginable that American voters tolerate lunatics like AOC and Bernie.


  

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Reply #221 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 11:16am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 6th, 2019 at 10:59am:
"This hothouse earth scenario would be a high likelihood of human civilization coming to an end by 2050."

It's unimaginable that American voters tolerate lunatics like AOC and Bernie.


Yep. What's most likely to bring down American civilization is unrestrained government engaged in unrestrained spending and creating unpayable debts.

Ocasio and her cohorts know this. Destroying America will, in their ideologically limited minds, destroy evil "capitalism" and pave the way for a wonderful Democratic Socialist paradise.
  

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Reply #222 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:26am
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Since Ocasio is the most honest about what she really wants for America, I'll put this in the thread about her version of Democratic Socialism:

https://reason.com/2019/06/05/perils-of-democratic-socialism-2/?utm_medium=email
  

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Reply #223 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 12:12pm
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Ocasio is not 100% defective.

She teamed up with Senator Ted Cruz to pass legislation that would ban former lawmakers from lobbying - -for life.

An excellent idea.

"Indeed, I have long called for a LIFETIME BAN on former Members of Congress becoming lobbyists. The Swamp would hate it, but perhaps a chance for some bipartisan cooperation?” - Ted Cruz

"I don’t think it should be legal at ALL to become a corporate lobbyist if you’ve served in Congress.  If we can agree on a bill with no partisan snuck-in clauses, no poison pills, etc - just a straight, clean ban on members of Congress becoming paid lobbyists - then I’ll co-lead the bill with you. " - AOC

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/446201-cruz-i-agree-with-ocasio-cortez-o...

Of course, this ban has practically zero% chance of materializing - the swamp creatures will protest vociferously  - still, this exercise is important to show that partisan bickering can be overcome, and Congress can work together to improve accountability.   Smiley
  

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Reply #224 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 3:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Ocasio is not 100% defective.

She teamed up with Senator Ted Cruz to pass legislation that would ban former lawmakers from lobbying - -for life.

An excellent idea.

"Indeed, I have long called for a LIFETIME BAN on former Members of Congress becoming lobbyists. The Swamp would hate it, but perhaps a chance for some bipartisan cooperation?” - Ted Cruz

"I don’t think it should be legal at ALL to become a corporate lobbyist if you’ve served in Congress.  If we can agree on a bill with no partisan snuck-in clauses, no poison pills, etc - just a straight, clean ban on members of Congress becoming paid lobbyists - then I’ll co-lead the bill with you. " - AOC

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/446201-cruz-i-agree-with-ocasio-cortez-o...

Of course, this ban has practically zero% chance of materializing - the swamp creatures will protest vociferously  - still, this exercise is important to show that partisan bickering can be overcome, and Congress can work together to improve accountability.   Smiley
Even if they would enact something like that, former bureaucrats will still be hired to lobby bureaucracies and congress.

The problem is not with lobbyists or lobbying, which is most often just self protection, but with bureaucrats and congresscritters who have far too much power and far too much ability to hand out favors and "grants".
  

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Reply #225 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:25pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Ocasio is not 100% defective.

She teamed up with Senator Ted Cruz to pass legislation that would ban former lawmakers from lobbying - -for life.

An excellent idea


That is an excellent idea
  

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Reply #226 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:55pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:25pm:
That is an excellent idea
I think not, it limits the rights of free speech of anyone who leaves congress, for the rest of their lives.

Besides, the real problem is with current congresscritters and bureaucrats having power to give things away and offer help, which is why people lobby them, for gifts and favors.
  

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Reply #227 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 5:17pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
Even if they would enact something like that, former bureaucrats will still be hired to lobby bureaucracies and congress.
The bipartisan lobbyist ban would ban ALL ex Congress members from lobbying.

Jeff wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
The problem is not with lobbyists or lobbying, which is most often just self protection, but with bureaucrats and congresscritters who have far too much power and far too much ability to hand out favors and "grants".
I think part of the "problem" IS with lobbyists.  This measure would help, but the swamp creatures would never allow it.   

Why would any lawmaker pass a law that limits the power of lawmakers???   Grin   Grin   Grin

They may be crazy, but they're not stupid.
  

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Reply #228 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 5:25pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
The bipartisan lobbyist ban would ban ALL ex Congress members from lobbying.

Right, I noticed that right off, thanks.

Ex-bureaucrats and Dept. Heads aren't part of congress, so they will still lobby. There are a lot of circles of power, and they often overlap, sometimes cooperating and sometimes fighting each other, but there are a lot of clubs where powerful people hang out with people who are rich and famous. The law will change nothing at the operating level where lobbyists party and hang out with Dept. heads and generals and all sorts of other influential people in the shallow swamp.
  

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Reply #229 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 5:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
I think part of the "problem" IS with lobbyists.  This measure would help...
The problem lobbyists sometimes have is that lobbyists from their competitors will cut them out of any benefits for their companies. Ineffective lobbyists probably don't earn much money. Companies expect results from lobbyists, and the news that "Our main competitor just got virtually all the government contracts, and subsidies, and we will not have ours renewed" will probably mean "We can no longer pay you to lobby for us." Cry

No one would spend money on lobbyists unless they thought it would pay off for them. They pay lobbyists to go looking for government handouts and favors, and they get them. That's the only reason there are lobbyists, because there are gifts and favors being handed out by government, and businesses don't want competitors to get the best ones, or most of them.
  

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