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Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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Please Welcome Andrew Yang to the clown race.  The son of Taiwanese immigrants, he sees himself as the opposite of Trump—a humble, ego-free Asian man.

Yang supports a Universal Basic Income stipend for all Americans.  $1000/month to all Americans over 18 yrs old.

He dubbed it the "Freedom Dividend".     "Free money" to anyone who wants it.   

A Terrible idea?      Of course it is.     Yang claims it would end poverty in the “most direct manner possible".     Grin    Grin

Yang, you're a Marxist idiot.    Sorry man.      But welcome to the clown show!   



“There are many, many Republicans and independents and libertarians who are very excited about the Freedom Dividend.”  - Andrew Yang

BTW, Yang - you lying little toad - don't you EVER use the word libertarian when touting your crappity-smacking socialist policies.     Smiley
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:19pm
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Is the dividend instead of welfare or in addition to welfare?
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #22 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:43pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
Is the dividend instead of welfare or in addition to welfare?
All entitlements are guaranteed.

Figuring out how to pay for them will come later....
  
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Reply #23 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
Is the dividend instead of welfare or in addition to welfare?

Yang is an idiot like all his fellow socialists hacks.   

Apparently, Yang doesn't even know the difference between a dividend and a stipend. 

The poor sap.     I genuinely feel a little sorry for him.   Sad
  
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Reply #24 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:10am
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:55pm:
Apparently, Yang doesn't even know the difference between a dividend and a stipend. 
He's just a typical "progressive" politician, trying to pervert language to his benefit. It's the same idea as calling welfare handouts "entitlements", it makes the people getting them think they have a right to them, just like people who buy preferred stock might know they have a right to dividends.

People seem to feel better about accepting handouts if they can think of it as their right...

Edit: Hey, everybody is a "stakeholder" in America right? So a guaranteed monthly dividend is just our right!
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:38am
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UBI is definitely not a Marxist idea, Marx would have hated it yet Milton Friedman like it. 

Paying for it is the rub but its a probably a better system than our current social welfare system and a lot less paternalistic. 

I'm ambivalent about it, as I've said before I support folks experimenting with it to see how it goes.  If actually instituted it must replace the existing programs, which would actually reduce the size and scope of government in the US.   I would not support any such program without using it to replace some of the other existing programs.
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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ahhell wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:38am:
UBI is definitely not a Marxist idea, Marx would have hated it yet Milton Friedman like it. 

Paying for it is the rub but its a probably a better system than our current social welfare system and a lot less paternalistic. 

I'm ambivalent about it, as I've said before I support folks experimenting with it to see how it goes.  If actually instituted it must replace the existing programs, which would actually reduce the size and scope of government in the US.   I would not support any such program without using it to replace some of the other existing programs. 
Even if administering a UBI would be cheaper and easier and several large bureaucracies might be eliminated (probably not) it's still a gigantic transfer of wealth.

I see massive difficulties in deciding how much a "basic income" actually would be... Would it be pro-rated according to the cost of living in each individual's area or would everybody get the same amount based on some average or mean? Does "basic" really mean basic?

No doubt it will be applied to "persons within the U.S." because limiting it to citizens would be discriminatory...

What is probably needed is a real plan (including projected cost so we can triple or quadruple it to get an idea of how much it will really cost) to be presented in the House as a Bill, and have everybody vote on it in a recorded vote. Smiley
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:48am
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Jeff wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
What is probably needed is a real plan (including projected cost so we can triple or quadruple it to get an idea of how much it will really cost) to be presented in the House as a Bill, and have everybody vote on it in a recorded vote. Smiley

This is true.   

Sure, it is a gigantic transfer of wealth but 2/3s of federal spending is already devoted to wealth transfer.   UBI would not change that appreciably.
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:11am
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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:48am:
This is true.   

Sure, it is a gigantic transfer of wealth but 2/3s of federal spending is already devoted to wealth transfer.   UBI would not change that appreciably. 

Actually it would.   

To give every American citizen UBI,  ($1000/mo. handout) would cost taxpayers an estimated $3.8 TRILLION annually.   Shocked

That burden is too much for taxpayers to carry. 

It's an insanely stupid plan to "end poverty".
  
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Reply #29 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:38am
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Current budget is 4 trillion.  But that wasn't really my point, my point is that the government already engages in massive transfers of wealth.  Which it does.  So, UBI only changes the amount of wealth transfer it does not engage in something that doesn't already happen. 

But you are correct, it would change the amount appreciably.

Where did you get your number for the 3.8 trillion?

Keep in mind that I only marginally support a UBI as an alternative to the existing welfare state not as and adjunct to it, that would be a financial disaster.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/06/04/of-course-we-can-afford-a-un...
  
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