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Reply #30 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:21pm
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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Where did you get your number for the 3.8 trillion?

https://nypost.com/2018/07/12/universal-basic-income-would-cost-taxpayers-3-8t-p...


ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Keep in mind that I only marginally support a UBI as an alternative to the existing welfare state not as and adjunct to it, that would be a financial disaster.
  The UBI advocates are selling it as an adjunct - not an alternative.
  
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Reply #31 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:01pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
  The UBI advocates are selling it as an adjunct - not an alternative.

See the link I included earlier, that is not true of all of the UBI advocates. 

From your times article:

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.....or 78 percent of all the taxes collected for social programs, according to Bridgewater co-chairman Ray Dalio, who published the study “Primer on Universal Basic Income” to LinkedIn on Thursday.


  
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Reply #32 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:15am
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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Current budget is 4 trillion.  But that wasn't really my point, my point is that the government already engages in massive transfers of wealth.  Which it does.  So, UBI only changes the amount of wealth transfer it does not engage in something that doesn't already happen


Gotcha, so wealth transfer is binary.  The amount doesn't matter.  Only whether government does it or not.

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Reply #33 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 2:02pm
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Kamala Harris has vowed to violate the 2nd Amendment if she is elected.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Harris has figured out a way to get around this pesky clause in the Constitution:   

Executive Order.

"Upon being elected, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, then I will take executive action..."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-pledges-executive-order-on-gun-co...
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 2:47pm
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kaz wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:15am:
Gotcha, so wealth transfer is binary.  The amount doesn't matter.  Only whether government does it or not.

Well, wealth transfers by government are both wrong and unconstitutional. How much is transferred doesn't change that.

  

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Reply #35 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 2:56pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 2:02pm:
Kamala Harris has vowed to violate the 2nd Amendment if she is elected.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Harris has figured out a way to get around this pesky clause in the Constitution:   

Executive Order.

"Upon being elected, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, then I will take executive action..."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-pledges-executive-order-on-gun-co...
There are already plenty of laws purporting to be for "reasonable gun safety", but I learned the basic rules of gun safety from my Father when I bought a BB gun when I was 8 years old, and any shooting range/club will have a list of gun safety rules you will be required to follow.

Being from CA, Harris should know that even laws making it a felony for a felon to possess a gun don't prevent felons from getting guns and using them. I hope, as a prosecutor, she didn't make deals to let felons off the hook for possessing guns illegally and using them to commit crimes.

Anyway, Presidents have no authority to make laws or change laws or arbitrarily order citizens to do anything at all.

Presidents can, if they want to, issue EOs that require executive branch employees to follow the rules contained in the EO, provided those rules don't violate anyone's rights...
  

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Reply #37 - May 6th, 2019 at 9:57am
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 7:13am:

Not really, they aren't going to win so they can make all the plans they want.
  
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Reply #38 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:53am
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ahhell wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Not really, they aren't going to win so they can make all the plans they want. 
Well, it's disturbing to me that presidential candidates now talk as if the precedent for rule by Executive Order has been set. They seem to be OK with Trump ruling by EO... Are they incapable of thinking?

https://reason.com/2019/05/06/a-leftist-makes-the-case-for-originalism/?utm_medi...

The "living Constitution" theory this article talks about is what they want, and what gives us not only Presidents ruling by EO but bureaucrats making laws. Cry
  

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Reply #39 - May 14th, 2019 at 4:04pm
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Earlier today, ANOTHER Democrat has announced his candidacy.

Please welcome Montana Governor Steve Bullock to the fray.

Like the rest of the democrat contenders, Steve is running on the tried-and-true "Crush Trump!" platform!

"We need to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 and defeat the corrupt system that let's campaign money drown out the people's voice, so we can finally make good on the promise of a fair shot for everyone...  When we're expecting more from our preschoolers at times than a president, that's not the role model that I think most families want for their kids."

Ouch.      That left a mark.

So far, that makes TWO DOZEN democrat hopefuls.

I'm hoping 12 more will enter the race and there will be an unprecedented 3 dozen candidates in ONE PARTY!

IT would be epic!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bullock-2020-montana-governor-running-for-pre...
  
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