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Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:16am
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To match with state of the union address.

They couldn’t have timed it better for Trump if Trump had financed the whole thing. 

What is the libertarian take on the caravan??
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:31pm
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Issue them Temporary Guest Visas

This will eliminate the need for the immigrants to wait a long time for Asylum Status.

Also, by accepting the Guest Visa,  they agree that they will NOT be eligible for any form of public assistance or welfare.  They agree to not become a burden to US taxpayers.

The Guest Visa is good for 12 months (one year). 

It can be renewed indefinitely (for a fee).

Can't get any more libertarian than that!
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 1:54pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
Issue them Temporary Guest Visas

This will eliminate the need for the immigrants to wait a long time for Asylum Status.

Also, by accepting the Guest Visa,  they agree that they will NOT be eligible for any form of public assistance or welfare.  They agree to not become a burden to US taxpayers.

The Guest Visa is good for 12 months (one year). 

It can be renewed indefinitely (for a fee).

Can't get any more libertarian than that!


Those sound like steps in the right direction of eliminating both borders and welfare.

  

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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Those sound like steps in the right direction of eliminating both borders and welfare.

Let other countries eliminate their borders first so we can see how it works out.
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 2:44pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Those sound like steps in the right direction of eliminating both borders and welfare.


That's the idea!   Smiley

There are other benefits to a Guest Visa, too: 

• It allows the holder to come and go as he/she pleases, unmolested.

• It allows the immigrant to be counted by the Census Bureau .  (Most illegals are afraid to be counted, and they hide from Census takers, so the number of immigrants in the US is grossly under-reported)

• The Guest Visa holder enjoys all benefits of a H1-B Work Visa holder, so they may seek employment anywhere in the US, legally.

• The Guest Visa program could should be privately operated, and that could mean JOBS for Americans (or even Guest Visa holders!   Grin   Grin)
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:50am
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
That's the idea!   Smiley

There are other benefits to a Guest Visa, too: 

• It allows the holder to come and go as he/she pleases, unmolested.

• It allows the immigrant to be counted by the Census Bureau .  (Most illegals are afraid to be counted, and they hide from Census takers, so the number of immigrants in the US is grossly under-reported)

• The Guest Visa holder enjoys all benefits of a H1-B Work Visa holder, so they may seek employment anywhere in the US, legally.

• The Guest Visa program could should be privately operated, and that could mean JOBS for Americans (or even Guest Visa holders!   Grin   Grin)
I like this version of your idea quite a lot Chief:

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/case-immigration-tariff-how-cr...
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 11:41am
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Jeff wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:50am:

The CATO immigration-tariff has too many flaws;

First, its WAY too expensive!!   See    Table 1: Mock tariff schedule    The lowest Immigration Tariff is $1000!! 

My Guest Visa (initial) fee is only $500.    Much better for immigrants!

Also, the CATO immigration-tariff as proposed is WAY too complicated. 

My Guest Visa plan is simpler, cheaper, and better.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 11:41am:
The CATO immigration-tariff has too many flaws;

First, its WAY too expensive!!   See    Table 1: Mock tariff schedule    The lowest Immigration Tariff is $1000!! 

My Guest Visa (initial) fee is only $500.    Much better for immigrants!

Also, the CATO immigration-tariff as proposed is WAY too complicated. 

My Guest Visa plan is simpler, cheaper, and better.
I like it better than your idea for a lot of reasons, one being it will raise quite a lot of revenue to pay for INS and ICE and the Border Patrol, another that it will bring in a better class of immigrants, and another that market forces will operate in controlling the program.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 3:35pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
I like it better than your idea for a lot of reasons, one being it will raise quite a lot of revenue to pay for INS and ICE and the Border Patrol, another that it will bring in a better class of immigrants, and another that market forces will operate in controlling the program.

But it completely misses the target on solving the asylum status issue.   People seeking asylum wont be able to afford the massive Immigration Tariff fee, and will be forced into waiting weeks (or MONTHS!) to get asylum status granted. 

Keep in mind that 80% of asylum claims are REJECTED.

with my Guest Visa plan, these asylum-seekers just pony up $500 and they can walk through the checkpoint in 20 minutes or less.   Smiley

With the CATO Immigation Tariff,  the application process is overly expensive, and tremendously complex. It will really impact a lot of immigrants who just want to visit the US.

We need to keep it simple!!  Simpler is always better!   Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:11pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
But it completely misses the target on solving the asylum status issue.
That's a serious issue for lots of people who are seeking to escape into the U.S., and there are lots of them.

It is well worth it to them to come up with the money, so they will find ways to come up with the money, and we will get clever ambitious people gaining the asylum of America and the U.S. will get revenue. It's a win-win! Smiley

Edit: I happened to think, there's another real and costless benefit... We will be enlisting the people from back home who know these folks to vet them for us. They aren't going to loan money to a shiftless freeloader so that HE can escape to America.. Ha ha. They know he always lies and will never pay them back, much less help anyone else to escape. So, once again, we will get good people. Smiley
  

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