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California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am
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750,000 for “misleading” customers with large packing that was filled with less chocolate than could have been stuffed into it.

Absurd for two reasons:

1) Ghirardelli chocolates are premium chocolates that are pressed into wafer thin squares.  The large, mostly air, packaging protects them from breakage.

2)  Anyone who ever bought them before knows this so the are agreeing to the purchase.  Anyone who buys them for the first time is going to think, ‘OMG, these taste awesome!’ not ‘I thought there’d be more in a package this size!’

This is why, if we want freedom, we can’t expect government to do much about “fraud.”  How much did government spend to get that 750K fine?  How much more will they spent when Ghirardelli appeals?

I hope Ghirardelli stops selling in California.  Let them hormonal wealthy women have to settle for Hershey bars and see how their votes go.

  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:03am
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If they cared that much they'd just pass a law against misleading packaging and give Ghirardelli a heads-up. Change your packaging, or go to jail. Fining people is well and good as long as your aim is to collect fines rather than prevent the damaging actions.

Ghirardelli would then change its packaging, saving trees.

But they don't care, which is why Statism fails and it's better to just let Ghirardelli alone to continue wasting trees.

Ideally, bringing the State into it could save trees, but the State too is money driven, and will only profit from the power given it without solving the problem.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:12pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am:
750,000 for “misleading” customers with large packing that was filled with less chocolate than could have been stuffed into it...

... if we want freedom, we can’t expect government to do much about “fraud.”  How much did government spend to get that 750K fine? 


Misleading package info is fraud.   

Fraud is aggression  (according to some members of this forum).

It's Government's job to punish aggression (according to some members of this forum).

Ghirardelli got what they deserved. (according to some members of this forum)
  
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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 1:58pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Misleading package info is fraud.   

Fraud is aggression  (according to some members of this forum).

It's Government's job to punish aggression (according to some members of this forum).

Ghirardelli got what they deserved. (according to some members of this forum)


Oh no doubt that some of our fellow libertarians think an unlimited amount of (other people's) money should be spent making sure that thirty nuts in a candy bar means thirty nuts or that four out of five dentist surveyed really did recommend sugar-free gum.*

That cannot even be done at the state level, according to some.  If the U.S. Government doesn't tell us exactly ow much and ounce is, we would be defrauded all the time.

The other one recommended Milk Duds.  Go figure!


  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 2:43pm
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Here's where you might buy some:

https://www.quill.com/ghirardelli-squares-milk-chocolate-caramel-159-oz-62285/cb...

Notice the clearly marked weight on the front of the package...



  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 2:45pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am:
This is why, if we want freedom, we can’t expect government to do much about “fraud.”
You were right to put "fraud" in quotation marks. Clearly marking the weight of the product on the package is not fraud.
  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am:
I hope Ghirardelli stops selling in California.  Let them hormonal wealthy women have to settle for Hershey bars and see how their votes go.

That would be ironic as they are headquartered in CA and have been since 2 years after the state became a state.
  
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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 3:40pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am:
Let them hormonal wealthy women have to settle for Hershey bars and see how their votes go.
This seems to indicate a certain hostility to both women and wealth...
  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 4:46pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:46am:
I hope Ghirardelli stops selling in California.  Let them hormonal wealthy women have to settle for Hershey bars and see how their votes go.



Just FYI, you know Ghirardelli is a California company, right?  It's in downtown San Francisco ...  I've been there.  I'm not a big chocolate person, but wow, it smells amazing inside
  

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Re: California Fines ghirardelli chocolate makers
Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 4:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Misleading package info is fraud.   

Fraud is aggression  (according to some members of this forum).

It's Government's job to punish aggression (according to some members of this forum).

Ghirardelli got what they deserved. (according to some members of this forum)


As for me, as long as their labeling is accurate I'm good.  If they say 2 oz of chocolate, it's not on them to explain what a standard weight and measure is
  

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