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The Tragedy of Venezuela
Feb 5th, 2019 at 4:57pm
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I won't make any bones about it: the suffering in Venezuela is directly caused by the Western (and especially US) elites.

It is the economic sanctions and financial warfare to destabilize the currency that are causing the pain, that is being used cynically for 'regime change' against a regime which refuses to submit.

Ordinary people are bearing the cost of the imperial need to teach a lesson to leaders around the world on the consequences of defying the US.  (A system based on fear is prone to sudden collapse if terror is not strictly enforced.)

Socialism and election fraud are nothing new.  It is also none of our business.  We didn't interfere against genocides and mass starvation, in countries where there was neither large oil reserves nor any impudence against the imperial elites.
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 5:02pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
I won't make any bones about it: the suffering in Venezuela is directly caused by the Western (and especially US) elites.

It is the economic sanctions and financial warfare to destabilize the currency that are causing the pain, that is being used cynically for 'regime change' against a regime which refuses to submit.

Ordinary people are bearing the cost of the imperial need to teach a lesson to leaders around the world on the consequences of defying the US.  (A system based on fear is prone to sudden collapses if terror is not strictly enforced.)

Socialism and election fraud are nothing new.  It is also none of our business.  We didn't interfere against genocides and mass starvation, in countries where there was neither large oil reserves nor any impudence against the imperial elites.


I voted for the socialists who wrecked the Venezuelan economy?  Wow.  I suck.  On the bright side, now I know what I did during my 36 hour memory gap.  Stupid Tequila ...
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 6:34pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
I won't make any bones about it: the suffering in Venezuela is directly caused by the Western (and especially US) elites.

Barf. Retch. Hurl. Puke.

OK, I'm all cleared out. Smiley

Make your case. Name names. Let's put them in prison until they die.

Edit: Better yet, hang them publicly. Sell tickets. Sell broadcast rights!  Get a copyright so you make money from the re-airing of the event for as long as is lawful. Smiley

You could become one of those lucky humans who can live off your incomes and doesn't have to work!
Smiley Smiley Smiley
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:21am
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kaz wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 5:02pm:
I voted for the socialists who wrecked the Venezuelan economy?  Wow.  I suck.  On the bright side, now I know what I did during my 36 hour memory gap.  Stupid Tequila ...


I really should try some tequila...

There're still socialist countries today, and a lot more a few decades ago.  Israel was once almost socialist.  They had their problems, but the specific problems of Venezuela (an oil-rich country reduced to living without basics) were thanks to America.

BTW, this is nothing new.  No impudence against the empire will be tolerated, not even in Seychelles, never mind Syria.  What's new is that Venezuela is oil-rich and started with a lot of strength to fight back, so a combination of financial war, economic sanctions, media propaganda, and political pressure had to be used, and made the operation hard to hide, to those who connect the dots.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:41am
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:21am:
I really should try some tequila...

There're still socialist countries today, and a lot more a few decades ago.  Israel was once almost socialist.  They had their problems, but the specific problems of Venezuela (an oil-rich country reduced to living without basics) were thanks to America.

BTW, this is nothing new.  No impudence against the empire will be tolerated, not even in Seychelles, never mind Syria.  What's new is that Venezuela is oil-rich and started with a lot of strength to fight back, so a combination of financial war, economic sanctions, media propaganda, and political pressure had to be used, and made the operation hard to hide, to those who connect the dots.


To say the United States hasn't helped is fair.  To say we are to blame is just anti-American hyperbolic bull crap.  They did it to themselves.

Funny how the United States is the only country responsible for our own actions in the world, and we're responsible for everyone else's actions too.

Socialism destroyed Venezuela.  That wasn't our choice
  

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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:20am
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kaz wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:41am:
To say the United States hasn't helped is fair.  To say we are to blame is just anti-American hyperbolic bull crap.  They did it to themselves.

Funny how the United States is the only country responsible for our own actions in the world, and we're responsible for everyone else's actions too.

Socialism destroyed Venezuela.  That wasn't our choice


No, I totally understand your point of view.  And there are those anti-American types, I know.

The sequence of events here are pretty straight-forward.  Almost every currency is over-inflated.  By openly refusing to support the bolivar (or almost any other currency, for that matter,) the Fed is almost able to cause a run on dollars in the country.  Couple that with economic sanctions, and you had a collapsed currency with years of economic shortage.

Now, the Venezuelans want Maduro out, understandably.  If he rigs the election to stay on, well...
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:28am
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Man, I have to say, imperial indoctrination runs deep!  Even in this forum...

Can anyone really think people and governments around the world were going to honor British pounds before World War I when Britain had only 3% of the gold required to redeem all its paper (while pretending it was an absolute moral obligation to redeem at the fixed rate of 4+ pounds per ounce?)

No, financial manipulation can only go so far.  You have to couple it with military and political intimidation.  And to think that anyone would accept US-printed I-owe-you-nothings as reserve money without intimidation would be even more naive.

Please read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man' for an insider account of how this all works.

As Ben Hunt of epsilontheory.com said, once you see it, you see it everywhere.
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 11:02am
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:28am:
Man, I have to say, imperial indoctrination runs deep!  Even in this forum...

Can anyone really think people and governments around the world were going to honor British pounds before World War I when Britain had only 3% of the gold required to redeem all its paper (while pretending it was an absolute moral obligation to redeem at the fixed rate of 4+ pounds per ounce?)

No, financial manipulation can only go so far.  You have to couple it with military and political intimidation.  And to think that anyone would accept US-printed I-owe-you-nothings as reserve money without intimidation would be even more naive.

Please read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man' for an insider account of how this all works.

As Ben Hunt of epsilontheory.com said, once you see it, you see it everywhere.
Right, the government of Venezuela manipulated their fiat currency at the same time they destroyed the economy with 'socialist' planning.

Once you see this, you'll see it everywhere...
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 10:28am:
Man, I have to say, imperial indoctrination runs deep!  Even in this forum...

Can anyone really think people and governments around the world were going to honor British pounds before World War I when Britain had only 3% of the gold required to redeem all its paper (while pretending it was an absolute moral obligation to redeem at the fixed rate of 4+ pounds per ounce?)

No, financial manipulation can only go so far.  You have to couple it with military and political intimidation.  And to think that anyone would accept US-printed I-owe-you-nothings as reserve money without intimidation would be even more naive.

Please read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man' for an insider account of how this all works.

As Ben Hunt of epsilontheory.com said, once you see it, you see it everywhere.


So my choices are to accept that the US is the cause of all problems in the world or accept I'm indoctrinated in imperialism.  I reject that as the stupid crap that it is.

You're the extremist in this discussion, not me.

I said the US gets zero credit for doing anything right in Venezuela.  But Venezuela is responsible for their own mess.  Socialism is and was a stupid idea, and the only reason it works is the greed of ... psst ... he has more cheese than you do ...

On the bright side for the greed consumed Venezuelans who fell for the siren song of Marxism, now they do all have the same amount of cheese.  None
  

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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:36pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
Socialism is and was a stupid idea, and the only reason it works...
kaz, here'a a hint, socialism is a stupid idea because it has been proved to not work. Over and over. You know that already so you can get pissed at me for pointing it out... That's fine. Say I'm quibbling. That's all right with me. Cool
  
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