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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #10 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:41pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
On the bright side for the greed consumed Venezuelans who fell for the siren song of Marxism, now they do all have the same amount of cheese.  None
Your talking about the Venezuelan Elites who are rich as Croesus?

I have to say you're wrong. Some of them have done much better from socialism than have others.

I include this link because you can tell right off from the depiction at the top right that he's a real Elite kind of guy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 2:32pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
I said the US gets zero credit for doing anything right in Venezuela.  But Venezuela is responsible for their own mess.  Socialism is and was a stupid idea, and the only reason it works is the greed of ... psst ... he has more cheese than you do ...


Sorry, don't know about you, but I can't praise the US for destabilizing the Venezuelan currency and destroying its economy (which may not be the best run in the world to start with, but was never headed for the fall it went through.)

I would be the first one to say socialism sucks, but many socialist countries did and do live better than Venezuelans today. Venezuela's problems were made in the USA, with the goal of toppling the Chavez/Maduro regime, and putting in place another one to take control of the largest proven oil reserves in the world.
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 2:40pm
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The same person who pushed Juan Guaido to name himself president also pushed street protests in 2002, in an unsuccessful 'regime change' attempt that included kidnapping Chavez himself.

The US State Department has admitted helping fund the organization he founded:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-06/real-reason-us-wants-regime-change-ven...
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 8:59pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 7th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
The same person who pushed Juan Guaido to name himself president also pushed street protests in 2002, in an unsuccessful 'regime change' attempt that included kidnapping Chavez himself.

So why didn't they do it?

If they  would have kidnapped him and killed Chavez, Venezuela would be better off today.

How could it get worse?
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 8:58am
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Thanks to WikeLeaks, we now have the financial regime-change field manual, direct from the US government:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-07/wikileaks-reveals-us-military-use-imf-...
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 11:00am
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Jeff wrote on Feb 7th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
So why didn't they do it?

If they  would have kidnapped him and killed Chavez, Venezuela would be better off today.

How could it get worse?


I agree, in the sense that someone is pointing a gun at me and asking me for my money.  "How could it get worse" than death?  So I'll hand him my money.
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 1:08pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 8:58am:
Thanks to WikeLeaks, we now have the financial regime-change field manual, direct from the US government:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-07/wikileaks-reveals-us-military-use-imf-...
Your contention is that Venezuela would be a socialist paradise if only the U.S. would have left them alone?
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #17 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 12:53pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Your contention is that Venezuela would be a socialist paradise if only the U.S. would have left them alone?


Maybe a socialist country, but not a paradise.  Definitely, not the hell hole it is after the US did its hatchet job.
  
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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #18 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:49pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 7th, 2019 at 2:32pm:
Sorry, don't know about you, but I can't praise the US for destabilizing the Venezuelan currency and destroying its economy


You're so stupid.  I just said twice I don't agree with anything we've done in Venezuela and you came back again with your stupid shit that I praised our policy.  Go blow yourself.  If you want to have a real discussion where you don't ignore what I say, let me know.

Anyway, I'm thinking it's the Jews who control the banks who are driving our policy.  You seem like a guy who would know about that.  It's the Jews, isn't it?
  

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Re: The Tragedy of Venezuela
Reply #19 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
Maybe a socialist country, but not a paradise.  Definitely, not the hell hole it is after the US did its hatchet job.
I still think Chavez and Maduro are responsible, just like I think Castro screwed up Cuba, Robert Mugabe screwed up Zimbabwe and the Communists are about to screw up South Africa.
  
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