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Reply #60 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:00am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Oh, that's what you meant by a "deal?"  No wonder I didn't remember your "deal."   You deal was for me to agree that you are right?   That's how lefties like to have arguments: ~Of course we can have a civilized discussion about abortion.  So long as you stop claiming that a fetus is a human being and recognize the absolute right of a woman to control her own body.  Well?~


Libertarians are basically leftists on steroids.

Bigger, angrier, more righteous.

And no redistribution, unless it's something the government should do, because they've got consent, of course.

  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #61 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 12:14pm
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Here is a better representation of a libertarian view on taxes:

Since we believe that every man is entitled to keep the fruits of his labor, we are opposed to all government activity which consists of the forcible collection money or goods from citizens in violation of their individual rights.

Specifically, we support the eventual repeal of all taxation.

That should clear things up.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #62 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:54pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:00am:
Libertarians are basically leftists on steroids.

Bigger, angrier, more righteous.

And no redistribution, unless it's something the government should do, because they've got consent, of course.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/125p4s6.jpg
It's very rude to everyone who is a libertarian when you insult us all by so blatantly misrepresenting libertarians and libertarian ideas.
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Reply #63 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 5:22pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:00am:
Libertarians are basically leftists on steroids.

Bigger, angrier, more righteous.

And no redistribution, unless it's something the government should do, because they've got consent, of course.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/125p4s6.jpg


Angrier than leftists?  You need to come to the United States someday.  Democrats will blow your socks off.  Don't you ever watch American news over there in Canuck Land?
  

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Reply #64 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
Specifically, we support the eventual repeal of all taxation.

Yes, and that eventuality will come to pass when we no longer need government because everybody in the world will have finally realized that it's best to respect everyone else's rights. Smiley

Even babies will be born libertarian, so you won't ever have to tell little Johnny not to hit Susie and steal her candy.

Even people like Young Kim will see the libertarian light and set their people free!


  

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Reply #65 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:08am
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
Here is a better representation of a libertarian view on taxes:

Since we believe that every man is entitled to keep the fruits of his labor, we are opposed to all government activity which consists of the forcible collection money or goods from citizens in violation of their individual rights.

Specifically, we support the eventual repeal of all taxation.

That should clear things up.


Maybe you should ask Jeff if what you just posted is correct.

kaz wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Angrier than leftists?


I've been able to have one or two fair conversations with leftists, without them just hurling insults.

Jeff wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
It's very rude to everyone who is a libertarian when you insult us all by so blatantly misrepresenting libertarians and libertarian ideas.


I've probably never learned how to be polite because no one's ever been polite to me.

Perhaps, just to teach me the difference, you should treat me how you'd like to be treated.
  

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Reply #66 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Jeff wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Yes, and that eventuality will come to pass when we no longer need government because everybody in the world will have finally realized that it's best to respect everyone else's rights. Smiley


Or when we grow up and realize that we are primarily responsible for our own safety and security and that any government we hire voluntarily can only augment our safety and security. 

We pay massive taxes now for police that do very little to recover stolen property other than automobiles which are so heavily regulated and registered that they are practically government property anyway.  They certainly do nothing to stop home invasions, rapes, armed robberies and random hate-motivated assaults. 

They will certainly put the hammer on you for having a toy gun, though!


  

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Reply #67 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Or when we grow up and realize that we are primarily responsible for our own safety and security...
Once everybody is respecting everyone else's rights, there will be no need to protect yourself against anyone else, so your safety will depend totally on you not doing careless things and hurting yourself. Smiley Security will no longer be a problem at all.
  

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Reply #68 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:05pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:08am:
I've been able to have one or two fair conversations with leftists, without them just hurling insults


Oh, one or two conversations, there you go then.

Did you ask them your hypothetical about a leftist government harvesting organs from healthy people?
  

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Reply #69 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:25pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Perhaps, just to teach me the difference, you should treat me how you'd like to be treated.
I try. It's hard to live up to ideals...

To you want to know exactly why I think the graphic you posted is insulting to libertarians?

Perhaps you already know, and knew even before you posted it?
  

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