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Feb 8th, 2019 at 7:51am
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On one point at least.

Heard this on the radio, so sorry no link.

She was questioning a doctor and asked WTTE of ~when the public funds drug research,  the public is acting as an early investor.  Does the public get a return on this investment?~

Great question.  The answer was no.  After the government funded research comes up with a new drug, it is turned over to a for-profit drug maker with no license fees or any other remuneration.

The libertarian answer is that the government has no business taking money by force to "invest" it for them, be it social security which "invests" in treasury notes or medical research.  Since there are so few on here who agree that taxation is theft, would you at least agree that since the taxes are purportedly "for our own good," shouldn't drug makers pay something for the intellectual property that supposedly belongs to the public?

  

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Re: Ocasio-Cortez Makes Sense
Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 1:03pm
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I can imagine the government doing drug research because they operate military hospitals and doctor to military personnel on military bases and in the field. That would be a justification, but I also imagine the government research being more expensive and less effective than private research, so they should stop doing drug research with our tax money and just buy the drugs they need.

BTW, your thread title is much too broad...

https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal?utm_...

https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/07/green-new-deal-democratic-socialism-by-o?utm_...
  

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Jeff wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
I can imagine the government doing drug research because they operate military hospitals and doctor to military personnel on military bases and in the field. That would be a justification, but I also imagine the government research being more expensive and less effective than private research, so they should stop doing drug research with our tax money and just buy the drugs they need.


Better yet, stop sending our best young men and women into situations in which they get shot, blown up and otherwise attacked in foreign countries that don't welcome them.  Keep those awesome young people here, defending the homeland and attending higher education so they grow up to be the nation's leaders instead of the chickenhawks that have occupied the White House since  H.W.



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My title was clickbait, though pretty ineffective.

Yes, I know that Ocasio-Cortez is socialist.  So are most of both parties, but she's more honest about it.

  

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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
Keep those awesome young people here, defending the homeland and attending higher education so they grow up to be the nation's leaders instead of the chickenhawks that have occupied the White House since  H.W.

Lot's of young people join the military because they know they aren't cut out for college, and I don't think they are in general any more "awesome" than the general run of people their age. Quite a few join because they hope to get into a battle somewhere and shoot people, others want to learn some skills and have the benefit of early retirement and a lifetime pension while they work at a civilian job they learned to do in the military. Some believe they are defending America by fighting America's enemies before those enemies come to the "homeland".

Our "leaders" have been sending Americans into undeclared foreign wars since 1950 when Truman was President. It didn't start with H.W.
  

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Jeff wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 7:51am:
Lot's of young people join the military because they know they aren't cut out for college, and I don't think they are in general any more "awesome" than the general run of people their age.


If you had said that when I went into the military in 1981, I would have agreed with you.  That was the same year the movier "stripes" came out.  That movie was shot on Fort Knox, where I took my basic and that collection of goofballs was not an unfair representation of who was going into the Army then.  Almost half my platoon was from Michigan, fleeing the then dying auto industry.  No one wanted to go in the military thanks to the hippies spitting on Vietnam veterans only a few years before.

But have you seen who's going to college these days?   Those opting for the military these days are much more purposeful, mature and intelligent than their tide pod eating counterparts on campus.   

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Quite a few join because they hope to get into a battle somewhere and shoot people,


Where are you getting that piece of . . . information?

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others want to learn some skills and have the benefit of early retirement and a lifetime pension while they work at a civilian job they learned to do in the military.


And you think college students are planing that far ahead while they enter beer pong tournaments

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Some believe they are defending America by fighting America's enemies before those enemies come to the "homeland".


Which has happened twice in the memory of our oldest living citizens.  Both times, it happened because the United States meddled in foreign conflicts while failing to establish strong domestic defense against the attacks we should have seen coming (since we were meddling in foreign conflicts).

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Our "leaders" have been sending Americans into undeclared foreign wars since 1950 when Truman was President. It didn't start with H.W.


I phrased that badly.  I meant that presidents after H.W. were chickenhawks, not that H.W. was.  H.W. got us into undeclared wars we had no business in.  But as a young man, he stepped up to the plate so you can't fault his courage
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:35am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:08am:
But have you seen who's going to college these days?   Those opting for the military these days are much more purposeful, mature and intelligent than their tide pod eating counterparts on campus.   
If colleges treated incoming freshmen like the military treats new recruits, you'd probably notice that people attending college seemed more purposeful and mature.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:08am:
Where are you getting that piece of . . . information?
From young people wanting to join the Marines or become Navy SEALS or some type of Army Special Forces.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:08am:
And you think college students are planing that far ahead while they enter beer pong tournaments
Some are, some aren't, but if college is "free" and you can have a lot of fun, lot's of young people are attracted.
  

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Jeff wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:37am:
From young people wanting to join the Marines or become Navy SEALS or some type of Army Special Forces.


If you don't mind, Jeff, I'm going to defer answering that one until I find out whether the people consent to letting me be snarky again.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:40am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 8:08am:
Which has happened twice in the memory of our oldest living citizens.  Both times, it happened because the United States meddled in foreign conflicts while failing to establish strong domestic defense against the attacks we should have seen coming (since we were meddling in foreign conflicts).
Yes, a good case can be made that "progressives" engineered our entry into both WWI and WWII.

It's simply a fact that many people believe that fighting enemies of America on their soil instead of ours is a better idea. Smiley
  

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