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Reply #30 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:54pm:
A google search of the term "burnsred" showed one link to a site called www.burnsred.com, which an australian software development platform and one apparently sponsored link to Linked that just said, "learn about working at burnsred."

All of the other links on the first ten pages were about a band called August Burns Red. 

So I would have thought accusing me of loving "core metal music" whatever that is would make more sense than accusing me of loving the GOP.

But Kaz would never debate what I really mean so he prefers to assign me a position that he can debate.  Not that he's very good at refuting any GOP position.


Like Jeff, he's very good at refuting all positions. The kind of tactics they use are parasitic. They rely on people following rules they don't, so they can win every time, but without people following those rules, there would be no debate.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #31 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:02pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
You said it would be better, both more just and more moral, to have a known preexisting punishment for every infraction.

If you think that is feasible, tell me what the preexisting known punishment should have been that would apply to my scenario. Thanks.
Well? Answer the question please. Kiss Kiss
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:04pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Like Jeff, he's very good at refuting all positions.
You make it easy by taking so many wrong positions. Thanks! Kiss
  
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Reply #33 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:02pm:
Well? Answer the question please. Kiss Kiss


You don't answer mine.

Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
You make it easy by taking so many wrong positions. Thanks! Kiss


Shockingly, I always change my positions when you win, and yet you manage to refute what used to be your positions.

You really are an incredible debater.

But the harder you push, and the more certain you make it that you control right and wrong and switch them on a whim, the more people will hate libertarianism.
  

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Reply #34 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:07pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
You don't answer mine.
Not when they aren't fair questions...

But I built my scenario specifically to fit your claim that it would be better if every infraction had a defined penalty, so you could know that if you do 'X', the penalty will be 'Y'.
  
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Reply #35 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:08pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
Shockingly, I always change my positions when you win...
Try taking better positions to begin with.
  
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Reply #36 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:13pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:08pm:
Try taking better positions to begin with.


Like what? That civil law is right? I already said it was, and that I wouldn't change a thing.

Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Not when they aren't fair questions...


I asked you if taking something without permission was theft, and you wouldn't answer, saying you had to know what it was first.
  

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Reply #37 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:23am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Like what? That civil law is right? I already said it was, and that I wouldn't change a thing.
Does that mean you admit that your wish for a knowable-in-advance penalty for every infraction is impracticable nonsense?
  
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Reply #38 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:25am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
I asked you if taking something without permission was theft, and you wouldn't answer, saying you had to know what it was first.
And the circumstances surrounding the taking, thanks. Who took whatever it was? Who owns whatever it was? Why was it taken? Stuff like that. Smiley
  
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Reply #39 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:23am:
Does that mean you admit that your wish for a knowable-in-advance penalty for every infraction is impracticable nonsense?


I admit it's immoral.

Jeff wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:25am:
And the circumstances surrounding the taking, thanks. Who took whatever it was? Who owns whatever it was? Why was it taken? Stuff like that. Smiley


This was all discussed thoroughly in the original thread.
  

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