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Reply #30 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 1:39pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:27am:
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

OMG, the hypocrisy ...
Misinterpreting somewhat ambiguous statements is not the same as claiming someone said something they didn't.

Do you think the commerce clause is a grant of unlimited power?
  

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Reply #31 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Clearly, the founders believed that elected representatives - so long as they were elected only by white male landowners - were more wise than the average person.
Yes, that's why they thought elected State Representatives would make better decisions about appointing U.S. Senators, making the Senate that much better at preventing ill-conceived or ill-considered laws.

They also thought that people who owned property had "skin in the game" and would be less likely to vote against property rights, which they realized were an essential foundation of individual liberty.

Most women of the time also believed that women in general weren't prepared to or capable of making political decisions. It was some time before that general attitude changed.

Free blacks (males) had the vote in many states in the U.S. very early on, which meant they got to choose their State Representatives, who then choose U.S. Senators.

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It was the slavers in slave states and some very bad SCOTUS decisions like Dred Scott that prevented blacks from both being free and from voting.
  

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Reply #32 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:11pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Clearly, the founders believed that elected representatives ... were more wise than the average person


You're an idiot, they thought the reverse of that
  

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Reply #33 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
You're an idiot, [the founders]thought the reverse of that


The founders thought the reverse of of that I’m idiot?

I agree with them, of course, but how would they know?

  

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Reply #34 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
They also thought that people who owned property had "skin in the game" and would be less likely to vote against property rights, which they realized were an essential foundation of individual liberty.



How do you reconcile your belief that property rights are an essential foundation of individual liberty with your belief that government’s power/right to tax is only limited by having multiple branches of government (all supported by taxes) and a representative republic (in which people may vote for the representative who promises them the most prizes bought with tax dollars)?


  

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Reply #35 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:30pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
The founders thought the reverse of of that I’m idiot?

I agree with them, of course, but how would they know?



You're an idiot that you think the founders trusted politicians over people.  You're a complete drooling idiot
  

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kaz wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:30pm:
You're an idiot that you think the founders trusted politicians over people.  You're a complete drooling idiot


If the founders trusted people more than politicians, why did they allow such a tiny fraction of them (people) to vote for the politicians?


  

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Reply #37 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:44pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
If the founders trusted people more than politicians, why did they allow such a tiny fraction of them (people) to vote for the politicians?




Non-sequitur.  What does having white male land owners vote have to do with trusting people over politicians or vice versa?  Your question makes no sense.

The reason of course is you're just trolling.  Which is what trolls do.  You contrived the trolling answer.  That's how you got there.

It also wasn't sexist.  But your dearth of intellectual honesty with your limited intellectual capacity makes the thought of that discussion with you just seem excruciatingly dull
  

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Reply #38 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:51pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
If the founders trusted people more than politicians, why did they allow such a tiny fraction of them (people) to vote for the politicians?


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Lol, that's the point of checks and balances, idiot.

Opposition's nagging desire to question post:
If people are more trustworthy than politicians, what's the point of the two wolves and one sheep voting on dinner metaphor? And why not just have a true democracy and have the people vote on policy?
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #39 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:03pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:51pm:
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Lol, that's the point of checks and balances, idiot.

Opposition's nagging desire to question post:
If people are more trustworthy than politicians, what's the point of the two wolves and one sheep voting on dinner metaphor? And why not just have a true democracy and have the people vote on policy?


I see what you did there.  Lame, buddy.

Libertarians don't trust people or politicians to make our decisions for us.

Trusting people to libertarians means trusting ourselves.  We are people ...

Seriously, that's your argument?  That libertarians don't trust people because we don't want people making our choices for us?  You didn't think that one through.  A genius wouldn't have walked into that door ...
  

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