Libertarian's Forum
Libertarian Forum to discuss politics and free market economics.
Libertarian's ForumLibertarian's ForumFreedom Forum › Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3] 4  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia (Read 699 times)
Jeff
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 46336
Location: USA
Joined: Feb 26th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #20 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:45pm
Print Post  
kaz wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Well, Jeff supports conquering anyone who tries to leave the United States.
If you would have followed the whole conversation, you would have noticed that I said I do not see any grant of power in the Constitution to prevent states from leaving, which was why I said "Luckily, the slavers attacked a U.S. Military base and the end result was good."
  

"Free hate speech"
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Jeff
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 46336
Location: USA
Joined: Feb 26th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #21 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:51pm
Print Post  
SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:58am:
How the head of state got to BE the head of state is not important.  The POLICIES that the head of state makes, is.

Libertarian policy = libertarian state.

Socialist policy = socialist state.
If you want him to be a chief executive, I'm OK with that, but placing both legislative and executive power in the hands of one person is an extremely dangerous idea... And if he gets to appoint the judges too, it would be worse yet.

Why not make the head of state the Supreme Judge too?

Have you not noticed the tendency of politicians to say one thing before they are elected, then do something very different? Many of them also change policies in mid-stream too.

It will all be good though if you can get a Philosopher King who will never grow old or die.
  

"Free hate speech"
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SkyChief
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Online

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 11322
Location: California Coast
Joined: Aug 18th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #22 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 3:49pm
Print Post  
Jeff wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
Have you not noticed the tendency of politicians to say one thing before they are elected, then do something very different? Many of them also change policies in mid-stream too.

Liechtenstein's Prince Hans-Adam II isn't promising to make libertarian policy - he's actually DOING it.

Name a state that is more libertarian than Liechtenstein.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Jeff
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 46336
Location: USA
Joined: Feb 26th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #23 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:33pm
Print Post  
SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Liechtenstein's Prince Hans-Adam II isn't promising to make libertarian policy - he's actually DOING it.

Name a state that is more libertarian than Liechtenstein.
He's obviously not a tyrant. Everybody in Lichtenstein is free and happy etc.

Its still a bad form of government.
  

"Free hate speech"
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SkyChief
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Online

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 11322
Location: California Coast
Joined: Aug 18th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #24 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:42pm
Print Post  
Jeff wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
He's obviously not a tyrant. Everybody in Lichtenstein is free and happy etc.

Its still a bad form of government.

I've challenged you two times now to name a country more libertarian than Liechtenstein.

Can I assume (by your lack of a response) that you can't think of any?

Can you admit that even with a monarchy, libertarianism can be a reality if the head of state makes it policy?

Can you admit than libertarianism only works with a small population?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kaz
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Minarchist

Posts: 7988
Location: Kazmania
Joined: Jun 6th, 2017
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #25 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:48am
Print Post  
SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:42pm:
I've challenged you two times now to name a country more libertarian than Liechtenstein.

Can I assume (by your lack of a response) that you can't think of any?


I've asked you two times now (this is the third) to explain the differences between a corporation with no competition selected by government and government.  Capitalism is about free markets, not corporations.

Can I assume (by your lack of a response) that you can't think of any?
  

Contest winner:  I predicted Kaz' meltdown
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Jeff
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 46336
Location: USA
Joined: Feb 26th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 8:19am
Print Post  
SkyChief wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:42pm:
I've challenged you two times now to name a country more libertarian than Liechtenstein.

Can I assume (by your lack of a response) that you can't think of any?

You can assume what you want to.

It is far more important to look for a form of government that will preserve and protect individual rights and individual liberties.

It's really swell that Lichtenstein has a nice King, but it's still a bad form of government.

A good form of government can be useful to preserving the blessings of liberty for an unlimited number of people, and it doesn't depend on the next King being a nice guy too, or on the current King maintaining his "good" policies.
  

"Free hate speech"
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SkyChief
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Online

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 11322
Location: California Coast
Joined: Aug 18th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #27 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:40am
Print Post  
kaz wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:48am:
I've asked you two times now (this is the third) to explain the differences between a corporation with no competition selected by government and government.  Capitalism is about free markets, not corporations.

Can I assume (by your lack of a response) that you can't think of any?

Corporations can thrive in Capitalism.    Production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the free market.

Corporations cannot even exist in Socialism.   Government controls production and distribution of goods and services.

That's basically the scope of my knowledge on corporations.    Embarrassed
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Jeff
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Libertarian's Forum

Posts: 46336
Location: USA
Joined: Feb 26th, 2014
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #28 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 1:02pm
Print Post  
SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:40am:
Corporations can thrive in Capitalism.    Production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the free market.

Corporations cannot even exist in Socialism.   Government controls production and distribution of goods and services.

That's basically the scope of my knowledge on corporations.    Embarrassed
What a cop out Chief!
  

"Free hate speech"
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kaz
Libertarian Freedom Member
*****
Offline

Minarchist

Posts: 7988
Location: Kazmania
Joined: Jun 6th, 2017
Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #29 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:08pm
Print Post  
Jeff wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
If you would have followed the whole conversation, you would have noticed that I said I do not see any grant of power in the Constitution to prevent states from leaving, which was why I said "Luckily, the slavers attacked a U.S. Military base and the end result was good."


So the South could leave.  They just couldn't take their land with them, the US government still owned it.  And if they resisted, then the US government could conquer them and force them to stay in the union.

But no one was stopping them from leaving the union.

Hmm.

And I call you an idiot.  Nailed it!  On the bright side, you had some great hooch when you wrote this, didn't you?
  

Contest winner:  I predicted Kaz' meltdown
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 
Send TopicPrint
 
Libertarian's ForumLibertarian's ForumFreedom Forum › Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Libertarian's Forum

Libertarian's Forum Information Rules, Agreement and Privacy Policy