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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #30 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:40am:
Corporations can thrive in Capitalism.    Production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the free market.

Corporations cannot even exist in Socialism.   Government controls production and distribution of goods and services.

That's basically the scope of my knowledge on corporations.    Embarrassed


Right, but you said government should outsource it's basic operations to corporations.  These corporations would have no competition and not operate in a free market.  Hence my question, what is the advantage since capitalism is about free markets, not corporations?

Also, there can be corporations in socialism.  Socialism means central economic planning.  Only government can centrally plan an economy because only they have the guns to force corporations to act against their own interest.

The distinction between being government owned and government controlled is irrelevant, they are both controlled by government.

Your neighbor has a car in their driveway. They have the keys and they decide who can drive the car when, where and how.

Your name is on the title.  Is it your car?  No, it's not
  

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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #31 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:16pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Right, but you said government should outsource it's basic operations to corporations.  These corporations would have no competition and not operate in a free market.  Hence my question, what is the advantage since capitalism is about free markets, not corporations?

I didn't mean to.   

I think you're referring to my design-a-country outline.

I wanted local governments to hire municipal Judges, Police, Fire Dept, and public Works/street maintenance.

The federal gov't should outsource only the Military.  Nothing else would be outsourced at the federal level - the Supreme Court Jurors would be elected - not appointed.

kaz wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Your neighbor has a car in their driveway. They have the keys and they decide who can drive the car when, where and how.

Your name is on the title.  Is it your car?  No, it's not
Who's name is on the Registration?
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #32 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
...the Supreme Court Jurors would be elected - not appointed.
Jurists you mean?

You want them elected in a national election by popular vote? Geez Chief, Obama could have gotten himself elected to the Supreme Court, or The Donald... What a treat for the imagination! AlGore would have been in too!

The horrible possibilities are endless... 'W' Shocked

Edit: Sorry, I meant Dubya.
  

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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #33 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:39am
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
I didn't mean to.   

I think you're referring to my design-a-country outline.

I wanted local governments to hire municipal Judges, Police, Fire Dept, and public Works/street maintenance.

The federal gov't should outsource only the Military.  Nothing else would be outsourced at the federal level - the Supreme Court Jurors would be elected - not appointed.


You just repeated your position.  You didn't answer my question

SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
Who's name is on the Registration?


Yours is.   I don't see how that's different than the title being in your name, but whatever.  However, your neighbor can drive the car anywhere they want whenever they want.  You can, but only if you ask them for the keys and they approve when and where you're going and for how long
  

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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #34 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 11:17am
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kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:39am:
You just repeated your position.  You didn't answer my question
Not trying to be difficult. really.

kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:39am:
Yours is.   I don't see how that's different than the title being in your name, but whatever.  However, your neighbor can drive the car anywhere they want whenever they want.  You can, but only if you ask them for the keys and they approve when and where you're going and for how long

Ok...so Ive got the title, and the car is registered in my name... 

The neighbor was unaware that I've got a spare set of car keys.  I walk to my car and return it to my driveway.  The neighbor screams "Trespasser! Trespasser!!". But in less than a minute, I've got my car back.

Neighbor comes back to take the car and i capture the act on my iphone video.

I report the car stolen, and upload the mp4 video to the police web site. 

Neighbor gets arrested for stealing my car.    Grin
  

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Re: Liechtenstein - A Libertarian Utopia
Reply #35 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 5:30pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 11:17am:
Not trying to be difficult. really.


So do you understand the difference between corporations and free markets?

SkyChief wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 11:17am:
Ok...so Ive got the title, and the car is registered in my name... 

The neighbor was unaware that I've got a spare set of car keys.  I walk to my car and return it to my driveway.  The neighbor screams "Trespasser! Trespasser!!". But in less than a minute, I've got my car back.

Neighbor comes back to take the car and i capture the act on my iphone video.

I report the car stolen, and upload the mp4 video to the police web site. 

Neighbor gets arrested for stealing my car.    Grin


And in my analogy, your neighbor IS government.  So when you go to the police station to report the theft, they throw you in jail, sell your car and keep the money for themselves.

You understood the neighbor was government, right?  No?  I'm saying if you own a company, but all your decisions are dictated and approved by government, it's not really your company.

You said companies need to actually be owned by government to be socialism.  That's wrong.  They just need to be controlled by government
  

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