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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Dems aren't actually fighting for open borders. They like having a brown underclass to fight for.  With truly open borders, that would go away.


You're quibbling over how open we are.  Fine, but they are very open.  Saying they aren't is wrong.  Anyone determined to come here illegally can get here.  That is open


ahhell wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 10:19am:
As to the op. Jeff is correct, illegal immigrants are not citizens therefore not second class citizens


I said that, not Jeff


ahhell wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 10:19am:
No nation/state has existed that didn't have non-citizen visitors

No society has existed with out some form of social stratification since our ancestors banded together in groups larger than the hunter gatherer troops similar in size to a Chimp troupe.  So, still no, not even in the us though officially we do not have legally enforced second class citizen.  There are lots of more or less formal ways in which some folks have it easier than others.


Social stratification?  Sure.  But burnsred specifically said treated differently under the law.  Citizens in this country are treated equally.  Illegal aliens are treated above the law, so I suppose that makes us the second class citizens if they were citizens, but they're not
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 5:40pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
You're quibbling over how open we are.  Fine, but they are very open.  Saying they aren't is wrong.  Anyone determined to come here illegally can get here.  That is open



I said that, not Jeff



Social stratification?  Sure.  But burnsred specifically said treated differently under the law.  Citizens in this country are treated equally.  Illegal aliens are treated above the law, so I suppose that makes us the second class citizens if they were citizens, but they're not


They are treated above the law by the fact that they are not deported.  But that doesn’t put them over citizens because citizens are not only not deported, they are not detained, separated from their children, barred from legal minimum wage jobs and all the other ways illegals are abused because of their status as illegals.

But their being here under that status is way too profitable for way too many people for it to end anytime soon.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:13pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
They are treated above the law by the fact that they are not deported.  But that doesn’t put them over citizens because citizens are not only not deported, they are not detained, separated from their children, barred from legal minimum wage jobs and all the other ways illegals are abused because of their status as illegals.

But their being here under that status is way too profitable for way too many people for it to end anytime soon.


I wish.  Imagine, frowning on criminals. That is so unfair, isn't it, troll?

You don't follow the news much, huh?  Typical troll, that means you talk more about it.

Illegal aliens keep getting free passes for committing crimes, including murder.  Does the name Kate Steinle mean anything to you?

  

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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:26am
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kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:13pm:
I wish.  Imagine, frowning on criminals. That is so unfair, isn't it, troll?

You don't follow the news much, huh?  Typical troll, that means you talk more about it.

Illegal aliens keep getting free passes for committing crimes, including murder.  Does the name Kate Steinle mean anything to you?



The guy that killed Kate Steinle did not get a free pass.  He was in and out of prisons in the U.S. most of his adult life, including serving years for illegally entering the country.  He was deported several times.  After the Steinle shooting, he was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm, for which he is still in prison as far as I know.   

Yes, he was released by the City of San Fransisco when he should have been turned over for a deportation.  Surprise, surprise a tax-funded government did the wrong thing to please voters.    Here's another example:

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The gun used in the shooting was confirmed by forensic crime laboratory technicians to be the same one stolen from a federal agent's car. The .40-caliber handgun had been taken from a U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ranger's car that was parked in downtown San Francisco, on June 27, 2015.[61] The ranger was in San Francisco for an official government business trip. He testified at trial that he had left the weapon holstered and unsecured in a backpack under the front seat of his personal vehicle while he went to dinner with his family.[12] The ranger immediately reported the theft to San Francisco police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation's National Crime Information Center. Police issued a citywide crime alert but did not call in CSI technicians to examine the scene.[23]

Ballistics experts for both the prosecution and defense agreed with the investigators finding that, after García Zárate fired the gun, the bullet ricocheted off the pavement 12–15 feet (3.7–4.6 m) away from him before traveling another 78 feet (24 m) and striking Steinle.[62][63]


The Bureau of Land Management needs to be constantly carrying firearms and then they leave them unlocked in their cars? 

Since deporting the accidental shooter never seemed to work, what is your solution?  Death penalty for crossing the border illegally?


  

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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:32am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:26am:
The guy that killed Kate Steinle did not get a free pass.  He was in and out of prisons in the U.S. most of his adult life.  He was deported several times.  Yes, he was released by the City of San Fransisco when he should have been turned over for a deportation.  Surprise, surprise a...
... "progressive" government did the wrong thing to please voters.
  

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Reply #15 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:34am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:26am:
Since deporting the accidental shooter never seemed to work, what is your solution?  Death penalty for crossing the border illegally?
kaz has said many times, he wants an impenetrable wall.

Don't you ever listen to what he says?
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:37am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:26am:
The guy that killed Kate Steinle did not get a free pass



He was found not guilty.  That he's a career criminal and was punished for other crimes does not contradict that he got a free pass on the murder because he's an illegal alien.

You are so full of shit.  A core competence in trolls
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:40am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:26am:
Since deporting the accidental shooter never seemed to work, what is your solution?  Death penalty for crossing the border illegally?




Convict him of murder.  Put him in jail.  Keep him there.  With his record, including entering the US illegally, there's plenty to keep him on the rest of his life.

And he wasn't deported "several" times, it was almost 20.  Illegal aliens caught here should all spend jail time.  Maybe the first time just a few months.  But everytime they are caught, the term should go up dramatically.  Like 3 months the first time, 10 years the second, 20 years the third ...
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:52am
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kaz wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:40am:
Convict him of murder.  Put him in jail.  Keep him there.  With his record, including entering the US illegally, there's plenty to keep him on the rest of his life.

And he wasn't deported "several" times, it was almost 20.


So, again:  he didn't get a free pass.

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  Illegal aliens caught here should all spend jail time.  Maybe the first time just a few months.  But everytime they are caught, the term should go up dramatically.  Like 3 months the first time, 10 years the second, 20 years the third ...


You are seriously willing to spend thirty times the average one year incarceration cost* on tens of thousands of illegals just in case one of someday steals a gun that a Bureau of Land Management federal officer," left unlocked and accidentally shoots someone?

* $31,000 per year for 30 years = $930,000.  It would cost half as much to give him $450,000 and fly him to Spain on a one-way ticket.

Would you favor - instead of sending them to prison - taking them to the border and attaching a collar around their neck with spring loaded blades that will deploy to severe their carotid arteries if the sensor detects their re-entry into United States?
  

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Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 12:38pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:52am:
You are seriously willing to spend thirty times the average one year incarceration cost*


* $31,000 per year
Maybe it would cost less if we didn't buy them guitars?
  

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