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Leftist wackos drive Amazon from New York
Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:52pm
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You look at these demonstrators and wow, talk about clueless and stupid.  They object to $3 billion in incentives?  It'll be worth billions a year in taxes.  Then they say they want the money spent on improving the neighborhoods.  They just cost the city billions a year and they want MORE spending.

Stupid.  Democrats really are just stupid
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 6:27am
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kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:52pm:
You look at these demonstrators and wow, talk about clueless and stupid.  They object to $3 billion in incentives?  It'll be worth billions a year in taxes.  Then they say they want the money spent on improving the neighborhoods.  They just cost the city billions a year and they want MORE spending.

Stupid.  Democrats really are just stupid
Government "incentives" to lure business to their state/city distort free markets and rarely produce the promised "benefits" of higher tax revenue to governments... Of course they promise to bring new jobs to the state/city, but that promise usually falls short too.

BTW, Amazon hasn't paid any taxes recently...

I thought you liked free markets?
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:46am
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I tend to sort of agree with the wackos.  In the long term, its bad policy to give some business breaks that you don't offer others.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:50am
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ahhell wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:46am:
I tend to sort of agree with the wackos.  In the long term, its bad policy to give some business breaks that you don't offer others. 


Swish, right over your head.  First of all, these are leftists.  Obviously tax breaks are something they don't oppose other than transactionally.  Leftists support all sorts of corporate tax breaks for wind farms, solar panels, ...  It's just about what they want.


But back to my point.  Tax breaks would have brought in far higher taxes.  They just killed higher revenue, and they want to spend the money anyway.  Notice that was the conclusion of my post.

kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 6:52pm:
You look at these demonstrators and wow, talk about clueless and stupid.  They object to $3 billion in incentives?  It'll be worth billions a year in taxes.  Then they say they want the money spent on improving the neighborhoods.  They just cost the city billions a year and they want MORE spending.

Stupid.  Democrats really are just stupid


For ahell:  While my conclusion was that leftists don't grasp companies increase tax revenue and they want to spend money while they just killed tax revenue increases, here are all the lawyer points on my other positions for you:

- I oppose corporate taxes (double taxation)
- I think taxes should be flat
- I don't support targeted tax breaks that make taxes not flat.  The problem is everyone has to agree to that system.  The idea situation for any city is you give tax breaks and no one else does.  If you give tax breaks and everyone else does, you're screwed
- I have no love of Amazon as a corporation and this really isn't about Amazon, it's about the stupid leftists who don't grasp that companies generate all taxes
- People who pay taxes pay them from companies they work for and invest in
- The Mayor of NY and Governor who are blasting Amazon are still butt heads, but they do realize Amazon was going to generate a bunch more taxes than the tax breaks and they wanted to spend it

Leftists don't grasp the relationship between economics and taxes, that was my point.  And they really believe their stupid crap that buying sidewalks is as economically stimulative as bringing in companies and jobs.

Also NY has insane taxes.  Amazon could get lower taxes somewhere else without the tax breaks
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:16am
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ahhell wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:46am:
I tend to sort of agree with the wackos.  In the long term, its bad policy to give some business breaks that you don't offer others. 
It's called discrimination, and that's worse than just bad policy.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:18am
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kaz wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:50am:
Tax breaks would have brought in far higher taxes.
What really works are uniformly low taxes, a bare minimum of regulation and a rule of uniformly applied law that enforces property rights.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:25pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 9:46am:
I tend to sort of agree with the wackos.  In the long term, its bad policy to give some business breaks that you don't offer others. 


I'm glad I didn't say this. I almost did and it ended up being wrong.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2019 at 12:18am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
I'm glad I didn't say this. I almost did and it ended up being wrong.
You've become easy... Did you really never have any convictions about anything?
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2019 at 8:10am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
I'm glad I didn't say this. I almost did and it ended up being wrong.


Yes, you'd have been wrong if you said that leftists don't support tax breaks for some and not others.   They certainly don't believe that.  They just want tax breaks for their causes
  

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