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Re: Wow. Maryland Sheriff Will Not Enforce Gun Confiscation Laws
Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:35am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 10:33am:
I have to agree with you that no one on the board knows what consent of the governed means.  But not for the reason you think.

No one knows what it means to "consent" when one has a gun to one's head.

At least you can articulate a way to measure consent.  You say that it is a super majority.  I give you credit for at least saying WTTE of ~super-majority rules.~  Jeff clearly believes that it is ~majority rules~ and nothing else that shows consent, but he would rather eat concrete than admit it.

My issue with majority or super majority is that the phrase is "consent of the governed" and not "consent of most of the governed." 

Truth is that as long as government is defined as "the entity that has the power to tax," consent of the governed is impossible.  Notice if a neighbor complains about the poor service they get at a restaurant, we never ask, "did you consent to eat there?"  Consent is obvious when people voluntarily pay for services.

I'm not convinced that even a super majority has a right to impose a phony consent on people for their own good.


Yes, yes, your same old stale tripe that no government can ever be legitimate because no government can ever get 100% of the people to agree on anything.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:39am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Jeff clearly believes that it is ~majority rules~ and nothing else that shows consent, but he would rather eat concrete than admit it.
It took more than a mere majority to ratify the Constitution.

Consenting to the form of government created by the Constitution, which includes methods for the people to alter or abolish that form of government, is what "consent of the governed" is all about.
  
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Re: Wow. Maryland Sheriff Will Not Enforce Gun Confiscation Laws
Reply #12 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:51am
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Jeff wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:39am:
It took more than a mere majority to ratify the Constitution.

Consenting to the form of government created by the Constitution, which includes methods for the people to alter or abolish that form of government, is what "consent of the governed" is all about.


Ok, who consented to that?

  

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Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:55am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:51am:
Ok, who consented to that?

I'm not really interested in your muddled arguments for anarchy.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:05am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:51am:
Ok, who consented to that?



You don't know, you don't want to know.  Since you don't want to put in the effort to learn what the basis of the laws in your country is, why should anyone put in the time to explain it to you?  That's just how you roll

#funnythingabouttrolls
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:43am
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 10:33am:
I have to agree with you that no one on the board knows what consent of the governed means.  But not for the reason you think.

No one knows what it means to "consent" when one has a gun to one's head


Penetrating troll insights. 

- water is wet
- the sky is blue
- it's not "consent" when one has a gun to one's head

No shit Dick Tracey.  It's not consent when there is a gun to your head by definition.  You seriously don't know what consent means.  Your solution to my mocking you for not knowing what consent of the people means is to constantly misuse the term.  I.E., you're a troll.

Even the anarchy fantasizing libertarians on this board are not shallow enough to fall for your stupid troll shit like this one
  

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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:45am
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burnsred:  ...No one knows what it means to "consent" when one has a gun to one's head...

SkyChief wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:29am:
Smiley     Smiley


Oops, seriously Chief?  You don't know what consent of the governed is either?  You thought the Soviet Union was consent, but not really?

The Soviet Union was NOT consent.  There is zero insight into that
  

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Re: Wow. Maryland Sheriff Will Not Enforce Gun Confiscation Laws
Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 10:41am
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Little Big Man wrote Today at 7:51am:
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Ok, who consented to that?


Jeff wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 7:55am:
I'm not really interested in your muddled arguments for anarchy.


Feel free to stop responding, then.

If you do respond, then it should be simple to tell me who consented if you claim that there is such thing as consent of the governed.


  

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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 11:35am
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kaz wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Oops, seriously Chief?  You don't know what consent of the governed is either?  You thought the Soviet Union was consent, but not really?

The Soviet Union was NOT consent.  There is zero insight into that

I know what consent of the governed is.

Lawmakers have learned how to weaponize their powers, and use taxation to modify behavior of citizens.

They do this not because they have (citizen's) consent, they do this because they have the power.

When a law-abiding citizen fears his/her government, something is VERY wrong.

I don't get where you're going with the Soviet Union reference.   Embarrassed
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 5:01pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 11:35am:
I know what consent of the governed is.

Lawmakers have learned how to weaponize their powers, and use taxation to modify behavior of citizens.

They do this not because they have (citizen's) consent, they do this because they have the power.

When a law-abiding citizen fears his/her government, something is VERY wrong.

I don't get where you're going with the Soviet Union reference.   Embarrassed


The Soviet reference was your agreement with the point that consent at the point of a gun isn't consent.  In the Soviet Union, elections were unanimous.  But that wasn't consent.  No, by definition it wasn't.

As I keep pointing out in the US today, the government does NOT have consent.  That's why we're being torn apart over redistribution of wealth and government regulation and control.  What we do have today is tyranny of the majority.  If the government had consent for the leftist authoritarianism, then the country would be fine.  The definition of consent.

That's why the founders said change the Constitution any time you like.  Just get 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4.  There is no perfect answer, but they felt at that point the country did pretty well consent if you could get that.  They were right, socialists can't get that.  So now our Constitution means 50% + 1 even though it doesn't mention that anywhere.  And the SCOTUS is willing to back them up.

Clearly what DC is doing would NOT be able to get that for their redistribution schemes
  

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