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Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 7:59am
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kaz wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:00am:
Funny how my father in law came here not speaking a word of English with a wife and five daughters and won a rigged game.  He died a millionaire and a neighbor of Sugar Ray Leonard and Linda Carter.  Funny how most millionaires were born middle class in a rigged game.  Anyone can accomplish anything in this country if you put in the effort.  You can accomplish even more if you're intelligent.

These are just excuses for losers.  Life is hard.  Sure.  {pat on the back}.  It's up to you to make it.  Put your hat back on your head
Most self-made millionaires are of just average intelligence.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:02am
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
You are in violation of tax laws unless you document every transaction and pay 30+% capital gains taxes.
You know it's actually possible to lose money on a sale of gold or silver?
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:33am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Alright, what words should I use to mean this?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class


I know how the term is used.  I hate euphemisms, I was just mocking it.

The problem with the working poor is they DON'T work hard enough, they aren't reliable, they don't self train. They show up for work, only do the minimum and leave the minute their shift is over.   If you don't have a system that holds them accountable for work, they won't.  They are the work as little as possible class
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:47am
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kaz wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:33am:
I know how the term is used.  I hate euphemisms, I was just mocking it.

The problem with the working poor is they DON'T work hard enough, they aren't reliable, they don't self train. They show up for work, only do the minimum and leave the minute their shift is over.   If you don't have a system that holds them accountable for work, they won't.  They are the work as little as possible class


I agree with you, but this is just what they're called. There are working dog breeds, too, and the pampered show pooches work almost as little as the working class do.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:47am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:47am:
I agree with you, but this is just what they're called. There are working dog breeds, too, and the pampered show pooches work almost as little as the working class do.


Why is the term "working class" needed?  It's a socialist term used to convey a false premise
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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kaz wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:33am:
The problem with the working poor is they DON'T work hard enough, they aren't reliable, they don't self train. They show up for work, only do the minimum and leave the minute their shift is over.   If you don't have a system that holds them accountable for work, they won't.  They are the work as little as possible class
It's unfair, incorrect and very un-libertarian to make such gross generalizations.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:29pm
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kaz wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:47am:
Why is the term "working class" needed?  It's a socialist term used to convey a false premise
But "working poor" is somehow OK?
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 7:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
It's unfair, incorrect and very un-libertarian to make such gross generalizations.


Not when they're true. Adults don't need to add, "but there are some exceptions and this is obviously not true in every situation because people are individuals" every. single. time.

I guess you object to the generalisations that cats are difficult to feed and dogs are easy to feed?

My cat won't eat fresh meat, cooked or raw. Only dry food, and only Science Diet. I put one pellet of another food in that dish and she snubs the whole dish, even if I later remove the pellet.

My beloved's brother's dog gains nine pounds every time it comes over because it won't stop asking me for food. It ate a grapefruit... whole. I don't think it chewed. (I was only showing it the grapefruit to show it that it didn't want what I had. It called my bluff.)
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 6:56am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Not when they're true.
This is not true.

"The problem with the working poor is they DON'T work hard enough, they aren't reliable, they don't self train."
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 9:27am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Not when they're true. Adults don't need to add, "but there are some exceptions and this is obviously not true in every situation because people are individuals" every. single. time.

I guess you object to the generalisations that cats are difficult to feed and dogs are easy to feed?

My cat won't eat fresh meat, cooked or raw. Only dry food, and only Science Diet. I put one pellet of another food in that dish and she snubs the whole dish, even if I later remove the pellet.

My beloved's brother's dog gains nine pounds every time it comes over because it won't stop asking me for food. It ate a grapefruit... whole. I don't think it chewed. (I was only showing it the grapefruit to show it that it didn't want what I had. It called my bluff.)


Exactly.  The poor in this country are poor because of their own poor choices.  If they worked hard, cared about their jobs and developed skills, they wouldn't be poor.

Two of my five businesses were retail.  A restaurant and a child care center.  It's EASY to hire low end workers, and it's HARD to get them to work.  Sure, they work while you're watching them.  They do things like call on Friday and quit or just not show up because their friends are going out.

We had a blind spot for the security cameras in my restaurant.  During slow periods, the staff had a list of tasks to do.  I'd sign on and see no one in the restaurant.  I'd call the restaurant, and they answered.  They'd found the blind spot and would stand there.  And they apparently all told each other where the blind spot was.  I redirected the cameras, but sheesh.  They were getting paid
  

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