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Reply #100 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:32pm
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Sigh... it's clear that I'll never convince Kaz.

It's a sad day when the only way someone can defend America is to say that its critic has a 'vitriolic hatred' of America, and, ergo, everything they say must be wrong.  No need to make an effort to understand how money and imperial power really works, or even to ask a question when someone tries to explain it.

America is not all bad.  Most Americans believe in decency -- the only problem being they have neither the understanding to influence foreign policy, nor the inclination to learn it.
  
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Reply #101 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 7:27pm:
Please explain this fantastical notion. Thanks.


Is it incorrect to say extremism grew in Germany and Japan because the US exported the worst pain to those countries during the Great Depression (a la standard operating procedures of the imperial-monetary system?)
  
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Reply #102 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:59pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
America is not all bad.  Most Americans believe in decency -- the only problem being they have neither the understanding to influence foreign policy, nor the inclination to learn it.
Yes, it's obvious you think Americans are stupid and lazy and poorly educated, and that's the good part right?

America's government is the Great Satan, right?

Or the Evil Capitalist Demon? Or the Imperialist Monster? Enslaver of Peoples, Destroyer of Cultures etc.?

Edit: I forgot Raper of the Natural World and Destroyer of the Environment.
  
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Reply #103 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 5:30pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Sigh... it's clear that I'll never convince Kaz.

It's a sad day when the only way someone can defend America is to say that its critic has a 'vitriolic hatred' of America, and, ergo, everything they say must be wrong.  No need to make an effort to understand how money and imperial power really works, or even to ask a question when someone tries to explain it.

America is not all bad.  Most Americans believe in decency -- the only problem being they have neither the understanding to influence foreign policy, nor the inclination to learn it.


You live in a fantasy world.  You blame America for everything, even everything before we were a real world power.  Yes, that's vitriolic hatred.  If you want a measured response, measure down your criticism.  You actually think the US was controlling Europe before WWII, you live in a fantasy world of America hating
  

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Reply #104 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Is it incorrect to say extremism grew in Germany and Japan because the US exported the worst pain to those countries during the Great Depression (a la standard operating procedures of the imperial-monetary system?)


The US cut off Japan in the mid 1930s because they were building up their military into a clearly war preparation footing.  Then they invaded China proving our point.  We particularly withheld fuel from them.  Before that, we traded freely with them.

And again, your argument that we controlled Europe before WWII is just completely clueless and moronic.  Open a history book and turn off RT
  

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Reply #105 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:26am
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Jeff wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
Yes, it's obvious you think Americans are stupid and lazy and poorly educated, and that's the good part right?

America's government is the Great Satan, right?

Or the Evil Capitalist Demon? Or the Imperialist Monster? Enslaver of Peoples, Destroyer of Cultures etc.?

Edit: I forgot Raper of the Natural World and Destroyer of the Environment.


It is not America.  It's the modern monetary-imperial system that must run more or less the entire world, or its money bubble would collapse, and with it all its power.  This has been the case at least since the 1870s, with the start of the 'international gold standard.'

America happens to be the current center of this system.
  
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Reply #106 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:27am
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:26am:
It is not America.  It's the modern monetary-imperial system that must run more or less the entire world, or its money bubble would collapse, and with it all its power.  This has been the case at least since the 1870s, with the start of the 'international gold standard.'

America happens to be the current center of this system.
People engaged in international trade have always sought out and used the best forms of money available. The U.S. dollar became the international reserve currency because it was the best money available. It probably still is, despite the fact that it's fiat money, but it probably won't be for long since the Fed has created so much of it and Congress is trying hard to destroy our economy.

Here's an interesting article related to international trade in the mid-1400s.

https://reason.com/archives/2019/03/23/not-even-the-pope-can-maintain?utm_medium...
  
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Reply #107 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 12:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:27am:
People engaged in international trade have always sought out and used the best forms of money available. The U.S. dollar became the international reserve currency because it was the best money available. It probably still is, despite the fact that it's fiat money, but it probably won't be for long since the Fed has created so much of it and Congress is trying hard to destroy our economy.

Here's an interesting article related to international trade in the mid-1400s.

https://reason.com/archives/2019/03/23/not-even-the-pope-can-maintain?utm_medium...


If money was a free market, there would be no need for the elites to suppress the price of gold during the 'fiat money' period.  The evidence is detailed in books like 'Gold Wars' and 'The Gold Cartel.'

This is not even to mention the open suppression of gold and silver prices in the past which was the true nature of gold and silver standards.
  
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Reply #108 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 1:40pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 12:20pm:
If money was a free market, there would be no need for the elites to suppress the price of gold during the 'fiat money' period.  The evidence is detailed in books like 'Gold Wars' and 'The Gold Cartel.'

This is not even to mention the open suppression of gold and silver prices in the past which was the true nature of gold and silver standards.
Making one USD equal to 1/35th of an ounce of gold sets the value of the dollar and does nothing to the value of gold. If Botswana sets the value of their dollar at 1/35th of an ounce of gold too, then one Botswana dollar will equal one USD in value. If Botswana sets the value of their dollar at 1/25the of an ounce of gold, their dollar will be worth more than the U.S. dollar, and U.S. dollars won't trade at par with Botswana dollars.

Talking about a "free market" in fiat dollars is nonsense. Governments and their central banks produce fiat dollars and control their value. They also enact legal tender laws to force the use of their fiat dollars. There is nothing free market about it.
  
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Re: A Tale of Two Socialisms
Reply #109 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 3:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
Making one USD equal to 1/35th of an ounce of gold sets the value of the dollar and does nothing to the value of gold.

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