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Reply #90 - Mar 22nd, 2019 at 11:35am
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kaz wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 9:28am:
Swish, that's not the point I made, is it?  The point I made is you keep talking about "truth" and you constantly belie an America hating agenda.  That proves you are not interested in "truth."

No country has done as much as the United States for the world in the history of man.  The United States is the only country in the world criticized when we act in our own interest.

There's also a lot of bad stuff like way over using the military.  I am actually interested in that.  But not with someone as blindly hateful and partisan as you are to the United States.

Name whatever country you love better than us, and you've named a country that doesn't do dick for anyone but themselves ... or is expected to.  But the US carries the world on our backs.  I want to stop doing that.  You want us to keep doing it and you want to keep attacking us for it.

Again, I'm very much against many of our policies.  But you won't find truth in your one sided hatred


Why don't you name one thing, or more, that the US has done 'for' the world, and we'll see about the true nature of the act?

Hatred (or alleged hatred) is an emotion.  Truth is an objective fact.  Never confuse the two.  We can discuss truth, but I can never convince anyone of my emotions, if they don't want to believe me.

I hope that alleging a certain emotion is not the only weapon in your arsenal.  You can do better!
  
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Reply #91 - Mar 22nd, 2019 at 1:24pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 11:35am:
Why don't you name one thing, or more, that the US has done 'for' the world, and we'll see about the true nature of the act?

Lot's of people think defeating the Nazis and the Japanese Empire in WWII were beneficial.

I suppose you think it was a purely selfish act, and that the U.S. encouraged Hitler and the Japanese to start up their expansionist empire creating wars so we could defeat them and establish our own empire in their place.

Just a matter of differing opinions you say?
  
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Reply #92 - Mar 22nd, 2019 at 3:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 1:24pm:
I suppose you think it was a purely selfish act, and that the U.S. encouraged Hitler and the Japanese to start up their expansionist empire creating wars so we could defeat them and establish our own empire in their place.


No, we're not extremists here!  I have a vision of Ramsey Bolton eating his pork sausage ('Game of Thrones') and saying we're not savages here!

World War II was the US cleaning up after itself, however necessary that cleanup might have been.  You have to pay attention yourself (ie the mainstream media won't point it out clearly) to notice that the explosive growth of Nazism and militarism in Germany and Japan happened in 1931, the year the Great Depression turned really ugly with the failing of banks worldwide.

And the Great Depression was, at its very heart, a dollar bubble that burst, whereupon the elites refused to reflate the system sufficiently, in an effort to protect their system.  So, great pain went to the real economy, and even greater pain went to Germany and Japan where a dollar-driven credit and economic boom had happened during the boom days.

It didn't help that (as Hitler correctly pointed out) America had spent most of the first half of the interwar years undermining German strength and stability in finance and the economy.  The goal was to continue the effort, started in World War I, to contain Germany as an empire and to ensure the Anglo-American control of world money.  (Japan also went from an export boom to economic devastation during the Great Depression as American demand dried up.)

The way the system always works is that, manipulation starts at the core of the system to benefit those at the core.  But the pain is worse at the periphery of the system.  This works both between the elites and the public in America, and between America and the rest of the world.
  
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Reply #93 - Mar 22nd, 2019 at 7:27pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:
World War II was the US cleaning up after itself, however necessary that cleanup might have been.
Please explain this fantastical notion. Thanks.
  
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Reply #94 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 9:56am
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 11:35am:
Why don't you name one thing, or more, that the US has done 'for' the world, and we'll see about the true nature of the act?


Bob:  Name a US policy and I'll just say it's in your own interest.

LOL, you're a tool, Bob

BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 11:35am:
Hatred (or alleged hatred) is an emotion.  Truth is an objective fact.  Never confuse the two.  We can discuss truth, but I can never convince anyone of my emotions, if they don't want to believe me.

I hope that alleging a certain emotion is not the only weapon in your arsenal.  You can do better!


Yes, you vitriolically hate the United States.  You just admitted that you can't have a discussion on the subject without seeing anything we do as self motivated.

What's funny is the reverse is true.  I object to US foreign policy because we do NOT put our own interest first.  We defend Europe for free.  We take on the bad guys around the world while our allies (sic) stab us in the back to have it both ways.  Our propping up the Middle East benefits Europe far more than ourselves.

And further, every country in the world not named The United States of America acts in their own interest, and you're perfectly fine with that.  It's the US that you single out as having no right to act in our own interest.  And in your blind hatred of us, you don't even recognize that we constantly don't
  

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Reply #95 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 9:59am
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:
No, we're not extremists here!  I have a vision of Ramsey Bolton eating his pork sausage ('Game of Thrones') and saying we're not savages here!

World War II was the US cleaning up after itself, however necessary that cleanup might have been.  You have to pay attention yourself (ie the mainstream media won't point it out clearly) to notice that the explosive growth of Nazism and militarism in Germany and Japan happened in 1931, the year the Great Depression turned really ugly with the failing of banks worldwide.

And the Great Depression was, at its very heart, a dollar bubble that burst, whereupon the elites refused to reflate the system sufficiently, in an effort to protect their system.  So, great pain went to the real economy, and even greater pain went to Germany and Japan where a dollar-driven credit and economic boom had happened during the boom days.

It didn't help that (as Hitler correctly pointed out) America had spent most of the first half of the interwar years undermining German strength and stability in finance and the economy.  The goal was to continue the effort, started in World War I, to contain Germany as an empire and to ensure the Anglo-American control of world money.  (Japan also went from an export boom to economic devastation during the Great Depression as American demand dried up.)

The way the system always works is that, manipulation starts at the core of the system to benefit those at the core.  But the pain is worse at the periphery of the system.  This works both between the elites and the public in America, and between America and the rest of the world.


You're just a Marxist tool who knows nothing about history.  You just see it through your red colored glasses, Che
  

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Reply #96 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 1:37pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:
World War II was the US cleaning up after itself


Have you EVER picked up a history book?  This is classic.

Bob:  Germany, Italy and Japan trying to take over the world was ... wait for it ... America's fault ...

Eve?  Eating the apple?  America's fault, huh?
  

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Reply #97 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 1:40pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:
It didn't help that (as Hitler correctly pointed out) America had spent most of the first half of the interwar years undermining German strength and stability in finance and the economy.  The goal was to continue the effort, started in World War I, to contain Germany as an empire and to ensure the Anglo-American control of world money.  (Japan also went from an export boom to economic devastation during the Great Depression as American demand dried up.)


The US was nowhere near the world power then that we were post WWII.  You just live in a dystopian delusion.  That we had that sort of domination over Europe in that time is fantasy. 

As for Japan, we restricted trade after they invaded China, not because of the depression.  You believe anything if it's a slam on the US.  It's just your ridiculous vitriolic hatred
  

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Reply #98 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 1:46pm
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BobK71 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2019 at 9:07am:
America runs a decades-long trade deficit, i.e. receiving real benefits by issuing paper the world has to 'trust.'


Again your delusions.  The world doesn't have to trust the US dollar.  We are the world currency by choice.  No one is forcing other countries to do that
  

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Reply #99 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 2:07pm
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kaz wrote on Mar 23rd, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Have you EVER picked up a history book?  This is classic.

Bob:  Germany, Italy and Japan trying to take over the world was ... wait for it ... America's fault ...

Eve?  Eating the apple?  America's fault, huh?
You can blame most of Germany's problems after WWI on the Great Powers who came up with the Treaty of Versailles and forced it on Germany, but of course there is strong evidence that Germany brought it on themselves by starting WWI. The Kaiser was quite the "progressive".

The Japanese just wanted an empire because they needed resources and thought their innate superiority gave them the right to take what they wanted.
  
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