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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:30pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:29am:
Freely traveling as aggression?
It depends on where you go Sack. If you "freely travel" into my house, it's trespass.
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:33pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 8:29am:
Sure it "could" "be considered," aggression against children to take them on a dangerous journey seeking economic betterment.  Would you apply the same to the pilgrims who settled the American East and the pioneers who settled the American West? 

Were the parents in the Donner Party guilty of aggression against their children?
It seems we're supposed to be using a very loose definition of aggression, one where it would be "aggression" to separate a child from it's mother when she was put in prison.
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:34pm
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kaz wrote on Mar 8th, 2019 at 8:29pm:
Wow, you're more drunk than Jeff ...
Do you try hard to be an ass, or does it come naturally to you?
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:36pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:44am:
Trump has announced that he considers separating families to be an intentional punishment.
So it was different under Obama because he had good intentions?
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:55am:
I name all of the victimless crimes. I'm crossing out won't and adding shouldn't.
You change the meaning of things completely in order to 'win'?
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #15 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 3:29pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:33pm:
It seems we're supposed to be using a very loose definition of aggression, one where it would be "aggression" to separate a child from it's mother when she was put in prison.


Oh good, no loose definitions of aggression then.

https://www.fff.org/2016/05/19/open-borders-libertarian-position-immigration/
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All too many libertarians who have come into the movement from the conservative side have just been unable to embrace the libertarian position favoring open borders. Given such, however, they and the movement would be better off if they simply acknowledged that fact, by saying something like, “I’m a libertarian but I just have been unable to embrace every aspect of libertarianism, such as immigration (or foreign intervention or any other libertarian position).” That would be better than trying to pound a round philosophical peg into a square hole and, in the process, lead people into believing that libertarianism encompasses contradictory positions on immigration or any other issue.


This article has a link to the author's email. Refute him, or his position stands as the correct one.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #16 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 3:59pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 3:29pm:
Oh good, no loose definitions of aggression then.

https://www.fff.org/2016/05/19/open-borders-libertarian-position-immigration/

This article has a link to the author's email. Refute him, or his position stands as the correct one.


If the world were all free and prosperous like the United States, then I would support open borders.  But it's not.  It's another example of my point that I want solutions that increase the actual liberty in my life and open borders is not that.  Libertarians want intellectual purity in a death pact, and open borders is completely consistent with that
  

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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 4:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 3:29pm:
Oh good, no loose definitions of aggression then.

https://www.fff.org/2016/05/19/open-borders-libertarian-position-immigration/

This article has a link to the author's email. Refute him, or his position stands as the correct one.
Yawn. People who adhere in essence to one or another political economic philosophy often differ on specific policy positions.
  
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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
It depends on where you go Sack. If you "freely travel" into my house, it's trespass.


Yes, but crossing from Juarez to El Paso isn't aggression.  The elected representatives of El Paso welcome them.
  

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Re: When Democrats Can be Rightfully Morally Outraged . . .
Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 6:44pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:36pm:
So it was different under Obama because he had good intentions?


That is a difference yes.

It's amazing that I'm talking about  children being taken from parents and literally raped by government employees and your response is to make it into a Dems v. Reps argument.

I guess I should not be surprised that my comments about whether theft becomes moral if government does it fall on uncomprehending ears.


  

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