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"Libertarians" who Think We Can Reduce Government Through Elections:
Apr 10th, 2019 at 8:05pm
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Quick question:

Which "opposing party" of the Twoparties is most likely to lead the charge to reduce government intrusion and taxation?

*cue Jeopardy music*

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Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 8:32pm
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This is what you get when people think it's a valid principle to vote for Stalin so you don't get Hitler. Nobody vote for Mother Theresa or anything... she "can't win" you know. (This is seriously what would happen in an election between these three people.)

I have voted Third Party every time.

My vote may be wasted, but yours is going toward making the world a worse place.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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I generally vote third party but what's the alternative to elections?  Armed revolution?  That usually works out well.
  
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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:45am:
I generally vote third party but what's the alternative to elections?  Armed revolution?  That usually works out well. 


The alternative is a government so limited that it doesn’t matter whether its staff members have cartoon elephants or cartoon donkeys on their bumper stickers.

That requires a lot of self-sufficiency on the part of citizens which has been bred out of our population by government for about seven generations now.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:50am:
The alternative is a government so limited that it doesn’t matter whether its staff members have cartoon elephants or cartoon donkeys on their bumper stickers.

That requires a lot of self-sufficiency on the part of citizens which has been bred out of our population by government for about seven generations now.

Maybe I should rephrase, whats the alternative that libertarians can actually achieve?
  
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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:39am:
Maybe I should rephrase, whats the alternative that libertarians can actually achieve? 


What I describe is what libertarians can achieve.  Unfortunately, statists can also achieve their dream of more and more government theft and intrusion.

It’s a question of who wants it most and in that department, we are getting our asses handed to us.

  

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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:19am
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Little Big Man wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
What I describe is what libertarians can achieve.  Unfortunately, statists can also achieve their dream of more and more government theft and intrusion.

It’s a question of who wants it most and in that department, we are getting our asses handed to us.





Oh, and

#buyadictionary

Your command of the English language is horrendous, professor.  Explains your grades, huh?  No wonder you went into helping run government indoctrination camps, aka public schools
  

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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 11:39am:
Maybe I should rephrase, whats the alternative that libertarians can actually achieve? 


There is no way to make government better.  You can only make it smaller so it can do less harm
  

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ahhell wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:45am:
I generally vote third party but what's the alternative to elections?  Armed revolution?  That usually works out well. 


The solution is to do two things:

1) Restore legitimate State power.  Power divided is power checked

2) Restrict the vote to productive members of society.  People who pay net taxes.  The Founding Fathers were right on the land ownership idea.  Today that wouldn't work because fake land ownership schemes would be too easy
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:48am
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Little Big Man wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
What I describe is what libertarians can achieve.  Unfortunately, statists can also achieve their dream of more and more government theft and intrusion.

It’s a question of who wants it most and in that department, we are getting our asses handed to us.


If I were to wrestle a bear, the only reason I'd loose is because the bear wanted it more, gotcha. 

It doesn't matter who wants it more when one side is outnumbered 10 to 1 or even more.   People are not libertarians for the most part as they want to be given stuff.
  
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