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Brexit: from Tragedy to Farce
Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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In which universe is it legitimate to speak of a 2nd referendum after you lost the first one?

The British.  It is openly discussed in mainstream commentary.  Oh, but the British people didn't have any idea how hard Brexit would be, and now they do.

Brexit is difficult only because Theresa May has made it so.  The Irish hard-border is an EU problem.  It's a leverage May could use against the EU, not a problem to be solved jointly.  That May didn't prepare the UK for a hard Brexit until the last minute, further improved the leverage the EU has over the UK.

You might forgive a football team for playing poorly, but when that team is trying to kick the ball into its own goal, it's something else altogether.  (And when it keeps failing to do that, it gets a 6-month extension from the other team to keep trying!)

The bottom line is that the people voted for Brexit but the global and British elites don't want it.  What they've been working towards is either Brexit in name only, or no Brexit.
  
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Re: Brexit: from Tragedy to Farce
Reply #1 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 4:07pm
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BobK71 wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
I The Irish hard-border is an EU problem. 
As the border is shared between the Europeans and the UK, its also a British problem.  This display of ignorance alone is enough reason to dismiss your opinions on the matter. 
  
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Re: Brexit: from Tragedy to Farce
Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:26pm
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BobK71 wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
In which universe is it legitimate to speak of a 2nd referendum after you lost the first one?

... the people voted for Brexit but the global and British elites don't want it. 

The Brits should keep having referendums until the voters eventually vote against Brexit because they're tired of voting FOR it.
  
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Re: Brexit: from Tragedy to Farce
Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 8:34am
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ahhell wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
As the border is shared between the Europeans and the UK, its also a British problem.  This display of ignorance alone is enough reason to dismiss your opinions on the matter. 


I'm sorry if I implied I didn't know the UK is on one side of that border!

The real issue is the expected devaluation of the pound after a real Brexit.  British goods would become much cheaper, and a hard border would be required to stop smuggling and the damage to EU businesses.  It would be great for British businesses, as the smuggling would be one-way.

This points to the real reason the global elites fear Brexit.  They've set up a system where all Western currencies and financial assets are over-valued, the British included.  With Brexit, the pound would fall closer to reality, and Britain would be importing inflation and exporting deflation to the EU and the rest of the West.  With the global economy still struggling with low demand 10 years after the financial crisis (whatever the elites tell you,) the West could ill afford another deflationary shock.

Of course, they won't look at their engineered financial inflation as the culprit, but at Brexit.
  
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Re: Brexit: from Tragedy to Farce
Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 8:48am
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BobK71 wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
In which universe is it legitimate to speak of a 2nd referendum after you lost the first one?

The British.  It is openly discussed in mainstream commentary.  Oh, but the British people didn't have any idea how hard Brexit would be, and now they do.

Brexit is difficult only because Theresa May has made it so.  The Irish hard-border is an EU problem.  It's a leverage May could use against the EU, not a problem to be solved jointly.  That May didn't prepare the UK for a hard Brexit until the last minute, further improved the leverage the EU has over the UK.

You might forgive a football team for playing poorly, but when that team is trying to kick the ball into its own goal, it's something else altogether.  (And when it keeps failing to do that, it gets a 6-month extension from the other team to keep trying!)

The bottom line is that the people voted for Brexit but the global and British elites don't want it.  What they've been working towards is either Brexit in name only, or no Brexit.
It's a very clear exposure of the fact that the British are still subjects of their government, which only pretends to be representative of the people.

If your constitutional charter allows direct democratic referendums to decide such things as membership in the EU, then you must follow the charter and the expressed will of the people or be exposed as tyrants.

I don't think that democratic referendums are a good way to make law. It's much better to not give your government the power to cede any of your sovereignty to an organization like the EU to begin with.
  
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